Discuss Pellegrini...

[taconinja]

If--and I'm not saying we should be making a managerial move soon--if we were to consider a new manager most likely at the end of next season, I would think that we have to give Martinez a good look. Granted, he might already be at Arsenal at that point.

 

[Skashion]

Possible. However I don't see Pep doing the full 3 years at Bayern. Equally I am not entirely convinced that Pep is a certainty for the City job in a years time or 2 years time. Its just a bit too convenient and a lot can happen in 2 years. I would be delighted if Pep did get the gig and sooner rather than later but I'll get excited about that if and when it happens.

Agree on the aims. We have to be winning the top prizes. The role of perpetual bridesmaid isn't in the business plan even if fans like me are delighted with the League Cup. I doubt if Ferran knew that competition existed before he shipped up at City.

I'm not saying Guardiola is a certainty by any means but if we don't win any of the three main trophies this season or next season, and Pellegrini still holds on to his job for a third season, that would got to mean we know who's taking over. There would be no point otherwise. You'd have to conclude Pellegrini had failed if all he had was a League Cup (or even two League Cups) at the end of his second season, they would then, logically, need to look at replacing him. The only reason I can see why that wouldn't be the case is if they already knew they had their man and they kept a failed manager in charge rather than bring in a new man and cause disruption for one season only.

 

[mancity111]

Soriano has told us what the target is for City managers under his tenure:

a) win either the Champions League, Premier League, or FA Cup at a rate of one a season on average.
b) play attractive football doing it.

I think those are fair and realistic aims. It raises some questions though, if we don't win the league this year, and fail to win two of those trophies next season, does Pellegrini get sacked? Or does he then have to win two in his third season? I think if he doesn't win any this season and next, and is still here for his third season, that'll tell us he's placeholding until Guardiola arrives.

Possible. However I don't see Pep doing the full 3 years at Bayern. Equally I am not entirely convinced that Pep is a certainty for the City job in a years time or 2 years time. Its just a bit too convenient and a lot can happen in 2 years. I would be delighted if Pep did get the gig and sooner rather than later but I'll get excited about that if and when it happens.

Agree on the aims. We have to be winning the top prizes. The role of perpetual bridesmaid isn't in the business plan even if fans like me are delighted with the League Cup. I doubt if Ferran knew that competition existed before he shipped up at City.

I agree I think Pep for City is the best fit for him as far as the Premiership is concerned but timing may mean he never comes to England.

They don't grow on trees but the manager who enjoys the most success at City may not even be on the radar yet.<br /><br />-- Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:49 pm --<br /><br />

If--and I'm not saying we should be making a managerial move soon--if we were to consider a new manager most likely at the end of next season, I would think that we have to give Martinez a good look. Granted, he might already be at Arsenal at that point.

If Everton play Chunps League next season I would expect him to be at Everton for sure even if Wenger calls it a day.

 

[zabadabadoo1985]

1. Qualified into the last 16 of the Champions League.

2. Introduced some quite breathtaking football.

3. Brought the best out of players who have looked average at best and were for all intents and purposes out the door last summer.

4. No more leaks of players' malcontent every time we lose a game.

5. Won a trophy.

6. In the hunt to win the league with 6 games to go.

7. Refocused Joe Hart and returned him to the form of 2010-2012.

The list goes on. It's not rocket science. It doesn't need thousand of pages of thread to analyse everything and anything. Anyone who thinks we should be on the level of Barca, Bayern and Real want their heads testing. Steady improvement and a united club will do for me.

 

[gelly]

Pellegrini is too nice and placid in the media. City aren't an establishment club and would find it hard to win the PL with him. You are fighting not just on the pitch, but the referees, the media and even football establishment who all want City to lose.

That's why Mancini had to act a certain way to win the PL. He had to be a certain force and personality to win it, that's why he has won titles with anti-establishment clubs throughout his career.

It's not just about winning games on match day, manager has to pressure referees and manage the press.

You say that ''Pellegrini is too nice and placid'' and therefore is not a winner. Try telling that to Pep Guardiola!!!!!

What if Silva managed to reach that pass from Aguero and score the winner.....the definite Skrtel handball or the definite Dzeko penalty......we would be celebrating a famous victory. But, according to you, the fact that City lost the game is nothing to do with the above but because Pellegrini is too nice and placid and therefore not a winner......give me strength oh Lord!!!!!!.

Guardiola is not known as nice person. The man is a even bigger control freak than you guess. He is already managing establishment clubs. He doesn't have to fight all fronts to get results. He doesn't have media, refs, football going against him. He is steering an already winning ship. He didn't have to build the ship to get there.

 

[BobKowalski]

Soriano has told us what the target is for City managers under his tenure:

a) win either the Champions League, Premier League, or FA Cup at a rate of one a season on average.
b) play attractive football doing it.

I think those are fair and realistic aims. It raises some questions though, if we don't win the league this year, and fail to win two of those trophies next season, does Pellegrini get sacked? Or does he then have to win two in his third season? I think if he doesn't win any this season and next, and is still here for his third season, that'll tell us he's placeholding until Guardiola arrives.

Possible. However I don't see Pep doing the full 3 years at Bayern. Equally I am not entirely convinced that Pep is a certainty for the City job in a years time or 2 years time. Its just a bit too convenient and a lot can happen in 2 years. I would be delighted if Pep did get the gig and sooner rather than later but I'll get excited about that if and when it happens.

Agree on the aims. We have to be winning the top prizes. The role of perpetual bridesmaid isn't in the business plan even if fans like me are delighted with the League Cup. I doubt if Ferran knew that competition existed before he shipped up at City.

It would be a sad indictment of Soriano's footballing knowledge if this was true and somehow I doubt it is.

Again what is it with people and this inability to grasp my fondness for over exaggeration to make a point?

I have no idea if Ferran knew the comp existed or not. Its more about emphasising that City need/want to win the 2 big prizes above all else and not being too bothered about the cup competitions. Additionally Ferran in talking about trophies stopped at the FA Cup and didn't mention the League Cup. Whether this was by design, oversight or he didn't know it fucking existed I have no bleeding idea.<br /><br />-- Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:53 pm --<br /><br />

Possible. However I don't see Pep doing the full 3 years at Bayern. Equally I am not entirely convinced that Pep is a certainty for the City job in a years time or 2 years time. Its just a bit too convenient and a lot can happen in 2 years. I would be delighted if Pep did get the gig and sooner rather than later but I'll get excited about that if and when it happens.

Agree on the aims. We have to be winning the top prizes. The role of perpetual bridesmaid isn't in the business plan even if fans like me are delighted with the League Cup. I doubt if Ferran knew that competition existed before he shipped up at City.

I'm not saying Guardiola is a certainty by any means but if we don't win any of the three main trophies this season or next season, and Pellegrini still holds on to his job for a third season, that would got to mean we know who's taking over. There would be no point otherwise. You'd have to conclude Pellegrini had failed if all he had was a League Cup (or even two League Cups) at the end of his second season, they would then, logically, need to look at replacing him. The only reason I can see why that wouldn't be the case is if they already knew they had their man and they kept a failed manager in charge rather than bring in a new man and cause disruption for one season only.

Agreed.

 

[LoveCity]

Earliest Pellegrini would go IMO is summer 2015. He's had a fine first season in England but I think he has treated the season too much as a sprint rather than a marathon. We have rarely had the same vigor since February as before, despite many good results. I think back to those games we were 3-0/4-0 up in with the players still going balls out for more goals and wonder if we should have sat back, rested legs, and thought of the big picture.

But he's also been unlucky with a horrendous amount of injuries to key and squad players. Plus, that transition period where we lost/drew so many away games, since when we've lost much fewer.

Next season will be important, I think the expectations of the Club will be higher and supposing we don't win the league this season and next season (it could be harder - Chelsea apparently close to signing Diego Costa, the striker they need, and who knows what United will be like after their spending) that would be 3 years in a row that the richest club in the league has failed to win the league. No two ways about it, that would be seen as an underachievement (some might say not winning it this season would already be one).

As for the future... well, I rated Mancini and rate Pellegrini even more, but I don't think we've yet had a bona fide A+ manager. So we could take the risk on Vieira or Martinez or go for a recently proven winner like Guardiola, Simeone or Klopp (who has had a pretty crap season but their injury list has made ours look kind and he's been having to use players from their B team).

 

[Skashion]

It would be a sad indictment of Soriano's footballing knowledge if this was true and somehow I doubt it is.

I don't think it is. The reason why I say that is because he took the time to define what he meant by trophy by saying "and by that I mean". He clearly wanted to define it carefully and I think he deliberately excluded it because he doesn't think it's a big enough competition to judge a manager by and I'd agree wholeheartedly. A manager shouldn't be judged as a success or failure by a League Cup or failure to win it. I don't think most football fans have anywhere near as much respect for the League Cup as the FA Cup, and internationally, the two are just on a different scale. The FA Cup is considered the premier domestic cup competition in the world. The oldest trophy in world football, the fact that it's a national event and usually has a dignitary like a royal or the Prime Minister making the presentation, Abide With Me, the big brass bands etc. It's such a British affair. The world eats it up and the worldwide audience figures for the FA Cup Final are staggering and are comparable even to the Champions League Final. It's that big. The League Cup is an understated affair by comparison.

 

[gungho-tactics]

The irony is that if exited the League cup back in November, we'd be have more League points.

Pursuing the mickey mous cup was a mistake. A mistake that might cost us the league this season.

-- Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:01 pm --

Pellegrini is too nice and placid in the media. City aren't an establishment club and would find it hard to win the PL with him. You are fighting not just on the pitch, but the referees, the media and even football establishment who all want City to lose.

That's why Mancini had to act a certain way to win the PL. He had to be a certain force and personality to win it, that's why he has won titles with anti-establishment clubs throughout his career.

It's not just about winning games on match day, manager has to pressure referees and manage the press.

You say that ''Pellegrini is too nice and placid'' and therefore is not a winner. Try telling that to Pep Guardiola!!!!!

What if Silva managed to reach that pass from Aguero and score the winner.....the definite Skrtel handball or the definite Dzeko penalty......we would be celebrating a famous victory. But, according to you, the fact that City lost the game is nothing to do with the above but because Pellegrini is too nice and placid and therefore not a winner......give me strength oh Lord!!!!!!.

Guardiola is not known as nice person. The man is a even bigger control freak than you guess. He is already managing establishment clubs. He doesn't have to fight all fronts to get results. He doesn't have media, refs, football going against him. He is steering an already winning ship. He didn't have to build the ship to get there.

Didn;t Guadiola slap Tiago on national TV ? He's definitely a control freak. But that's is not necessarily a bad trait to have. It is good to have things under control.

 

[mancity111]

Possible. However I don't see Pep doing the full 3 years at Bayern. Equally I am not entirely convinced that Pep is a certainty for the City job in a years time or 2 years time. Its just a bit too convenient and a lot can happen in 2 years. I would be delighted if Pep did get the gig and sooner rather than later but I'll get excited about that if and when it happens.

Agree on the aims. We have to be winning the top prizes. The role of perpetual bridesmaid isn't in the business plan even if fans like me are delighted with the League Cup. I doubt if Ferran knew that competition existed before he shipped up at City.

It would be a sad indictment of Soriano's footballing knowledge if this was true and somehow I doubt it is.

Again what is it with people and this inability to grasp my fondness for over exaggeration to make a point?

I have no idea if Ferran knew the comp existed or not. Its more about emphasising that City need/want to win the 2 big prizes above all else and not being too bothered about the cup competitions. Additionally Ferran in talking about trophies stopped at the FA Cup and didn't mention the League Cup. Whether this was by design, oversight or he didn't know it fucking existed I have no bleeding idea.

-- Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:53 pm --

Possible. However I don't see Pep doing the full 3 years at Bayern. Equally I am not entirely convinced that Pep is a certainty for the City job in a years time or 2 years time. Its just a bit too convenient and a lot can happen in 2 years. I would be delighted if Pep did get the gig and sooner rather than later but I'll get excited about that if and when it happens.

Agree on the aims. We have to be winning the top prizes. The role of perpetual bridesmaid isn't in the business plan even if fans like me are delighted with the League Cup. I doubt if Ferran knew that competition existed before he shipped up at City.

I'm not saying Guardiola is a certainty by any means but if we don't win any of the three main trophies this season or next season, and Pellegrini still holds on to his job for a third season, that would got to mean we know who's taking over. There would be no point otherwise. You'd have to conclude Pellegrini had failed if all he had was a League Cup (or even two League Cups) at the end of his second season, they would then, logically, need to look at replacing him. The only reason I can see why that wouldn't be the case is if they already knew they had their man and they kept a failed manager in charge rather than bring in a new man and cause disruption for one season only.

Agreed.

To be honest I don't think I am speaking out of turn that he only mentioned the FA Cup because he had enough sense to know it has some prestige in the English game and amongst supporters and is watched worldwide each year by an Audience of 100's of millions.

This year is the first year the Cop del Ray is being broadcast live into Teles in Asia , America , Australia etc and that's only because its Barca v Real.

The trophies he meant were Chumps League and Premier League in that order.

To win at least one of those each season is no walk in the park but that's the standard a City,manager has to strive for sooner rather than later.

As cruel as it might be especially if we are there or there about's in each season if MP failed on both fronts in the next two seasons he couldn't be expected to get a contract extension.

He may still but he couldn't be expected to.