Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[80s Shorts]

Embarrassing that he's not been sacked yet.

It's like a malignant tumour. We need to cut him out before it becomes terminal.

It might already be too late, though.

As if we sacked Mancini for finishing 2nd and getting to a cup final, yet we haven't sacked Pellegrini after this collapse! He doesn't seem arsed and neither do the players.

Devastated today.

haha, get a grip.

 

[blue banks]

My main concern is the total lack of any idea of how to defend, we have gone from looking rock solid at the back to being all over the place. The idea that we should just all stand on the edge of the box hoping to catch someone offside is plain crazy. Years ago when being level was offside and there was no interfering/not interfering with play, this was a viable tactic but not now. We just look like idiots game after game. Here is a crazy thought......Let our defenders, defend! Why rely on some idiot with a flag to determine our fate? Just defend!

When you look at some of our baffling tactics and our form falling off a cliff its unsurprising that he looks set for the chop and if he is sacked I can certainly see why. The main argument against it for me is the message it sends out, to the outside world it will almost certainly look like "Win the league or youre sacked" and I dont see how that is a sustainable model because no team wins the league every year!

Whatever happens going forward I think we should remember he won us the double last season. Yeah there will be those that say he did it with someone else's team but you could point that finger at a lot of managers these days given the lack of time most managers get in the top jobs. He did us proud last season and think on that basis he deserves a certain level of respect.

He will leave with the blessings of the club and the vast majority of the supporters and stakeholders but its not easy to sugar coat a sacking and despite getting rid of two managers in the space of just on two years I and the vast majority of supporters will not regard our club as a club that sacks managers at the drop of the hat or upon some knee jerk reaction to the club falling below expectations.

He was never going to be the man to take us forward to the next level and at best was only going to manage this club for three years Pep or no Pep or any other manager we target along the way.

Its important that we all realise that and when you understand why you realise that when he is replaced either before seasons end or during the summer its not as important that he is replaced which is the right thing to do but who we replace him with.

MP is a decent manager but not one that can lead us to where we want to go next , maybe the next manager won't either and I don't see our set up as anything other than what is different managerial wise at clubs like Bayern, Real Madrid , Barcelona , PSG and Manure now.

I personally believe he is better suited to Spain , perhaps Italy and as far as Europe goes its not surprising he will manage the majority of his in these countries.

He might not manage again after this season but if he does it won't be in the premiership.

Of course our squad has a lot to answer for and a significant number will pay the price by having some of their wags having to socialise with a new set of wags which some won't like as it should be when you get paid well and don't perform for the supporters , the manager, themselves etc.

People know when you put in a shift for the team first and yourself second and do it consistently irrespective of your level of skill , speed and desire and mental spirit if I coin an Arsene line.

Those that don't don't deserve to be at this club for too long but those in charge of who comes and goes are always under the gun because as they should live or die on their ability to get the players that will improve the performance of the side overall in both play , style , intensity and result over 95 minutes week in week out.

You won't always get the rub of the green in any given match but in the end superior talent but more importantly commitment to winning having that talent will win out in the end.

Our current squad fails into what is important and you can talk about formations and style all you like but in the end its commitment to winning every challenge , commitment to keeping a clean sheet , commitment to beating your direct opponent at every set piece , commitment to winning relentlessly even when all seems lost that matters.

The players don't have it and the managment can't instil that into them over 95 minutes so MP has to go and serious number of players have to go as well.

Its actually healthy and long overdue and we will be better for it when its completed in an efficient and cost effective way as possible.

Good post - any suggestions for a replacement?

 

[BlueRockape]

My main concern is the total lack of any idea of how to defend, we have gone from looking rock solid at the back to being all over the place. The idea that we should just all stand on the edge of the box hoping to catch someone offside is plain crazy. Years ago when being level was offside and there was no interfering/not interfering with play, this was a viable tactic but not now. We just look like idiots game after game. Here is a crazy thought......Let our defenders, defend! Why rely on some idiot with a flag to determine our fate? Just defend!

When you look at some of our baffling tactics and our form falling off a cliff its unsurprising that he looks set for the chop and if he is sacked I can certainly see why. The main argument against it for me is the message it sends out, to the outside world it will almost certainly look like "Win the league or youre sacked" and I dont see how that is a sustainable model because no team wins the league every year!

Whatever happens going forward I think we should remember he won us the double last season. Yeah there will be those that say he did it with someone else's team but you could point that finger at a lot of managers these days given the lack of time most managers get in the top jobs. He did us proud last season and think on that basis he deserves a certain level of respect.

He will leave with the blessings of the club and the vast majority of the supporters and stakeholders but its not easy to sugar coat a sacking and despite getting rid of two managers in the space of just on two years I and the vast majority of supporters will not regard our club as a club that sacks managers at the drop of the hat or upon some knee jerk reaction to the club falling below expectations.

He was never going to be the man to take us forward to the next level and at best was only going to manage this club for three years Pep or no Pep or any other manager we target along the way.

Its important that we all realise that and when you understand why you realise that when he is replaced either before seasons end or during the summer its not as important that he is replaced which is the right thing to do but who we replace him with.

MP is a decent manager but not one that can lead us to where we want to go next , maybe the next manager won't either and I don't see our set up as anything other than what is different managerial wise at clubs like Bayern, Real Madrid , Barcelona , PSG and Manure now.

I personally believe he is better suited to Spain , perhaps Italy and as far as Europe goes its not surprising he will manage the majority of his in these countries.

He might not manage again after this season but if he does it won't be in the premiership.

Of course our squad has a lot to answer for and a significant number will pay the price by having some of their wags having to socialise with a new set of wags which some won't like as it should be when you get paid well and don't perform for the supporters , the manager, themselves etc.

People know when you put in a shift for the team first and yourself second and do it consistently irrespective of your level of skill , speed and desire and mental spirit if I coin an Arsene line.

Those that don't don't deserve to be at this club for too long but those in charge of who comes and goes are always under the gun because as they should live or die on their ability to get the players that will improve the performance of the side overall in both play , style , intensity and result over 95 minutes week in week out.

You won't always get the rub of the green in any given match but in the end superior talent but more importantly commitment to winning having that talent will win out in the end.

Our current squad fails into what is important and you can talk about formations and style all you like but in the end its commitment to winning every challenge , commitment to keeping a clean sheet , commitment to beating your direct opponent at every set piece , commitment to winning relentlessly even when all seems lost that matters.

The players don't have it and the managment can't instil that into them over 95 minutes so MP has to go and serious number of players have to go as well.

Its actually healthy and long overdue and we will be better for it when its completed in an efficient and cost effective way as possible.

Good post - any suggestions for a replacement?

Mancini :-)

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

I can, there isn't anything better out there that is available.

So you don't believe there is anybody at all out there that can do better than Pellegrini currently. You do realise Leicester have picked up more points than us in the last 6 games and Villa under Sherwood have picked up almost double?

Sorry what I should have said is there isn't anyone better who the owners would want, i.e. a big name. They want the glitz and glamour the sparkle, one of the reasons Hughes went so quick they'd never heard of him! Brendan Rodgers would be ideal.

Surely you are taking the piss here

 

[badaz52]

In all seriousness I think Mancini would be a good replacement.

 

[badaz52]

So you don't believe there is anybody at all out there that can do better than Pellegrini currently. You do realise Leicester have picked up more points than us in the last 6 games and Villa under Sherwood have picked up almost double?

Sorry what I should have said is there isn't anyone better who the owners would want, i.e. a big name. They want the glitz and glamour the sparkle, one of the reasons Hughes went so quick they'd never heard of him! Brendan Rodgers would be ideal.

Surely you are taking the piss here

Of course I am ;-)

 

[Maldeika]

I really wonder if Barca, Real, Bayern would have a similar run of results since January, how sooner would they fire the manager. No way they would still drag a manager for another games....

If we want to be like those clubs, we cant put up with managers like this.

If Pelle does the same run at Bayern he would have been shot around start of March maybe. But we waited until we are 15 points behind Chelsea. Or until 4th place is risky.

Mansour doesnt want us to be seen as a firing club. Well then eat what you cooked. Because now people might not see us in the CL at all next season.

4th place gets us only a qualifier and that is no guarantee of CL group stage, as we will be pressed by a quality team in august and its not gonna be fucking Burnley, Palace level of opponent.

Bayern would wait until the lowest goal for the season would be in danger even if they underperform and go out earlier in the CL, Cup or are out of the Championship race. And that is the CL qualification for the next season. That was the time in the last 10 years when they kicked out the coach and went for an interim coach.

Klinsmann was 27th of April 2009 after match day 29th (of 34!)
Bayern was 3rd (3 CL spots!) equal on points with 4th and 5th - 19 points out of 12 matches after the winter break (out in CL and Cup)
Heynckes took over for the rest of the season (13 points for 5 matches) and we ended 2nd

Van Gaal 10th of April 2011 after match day 29th
Bayern was 4th (3 CL spots!) a point behind 3rd
We lost the Championship already in the first part of the season with a lot injury problems, the second part of the season did not run that bad in the league but with some mixed results - but we went out of CL and Cup then, too.
Jonker took over (13 points for 5 matches) and we ended 3rd

 

[blueparrot]

I cant believe we haven't sacked him.

I can, there isn't anything better out there that is available.

So you don't believe there is anybody at all out there that can do better than Pellegrini currently. You do realise Leicester have picked up more points than us in the last 6 games and Villa under Sherwood have picked up almost double?

So we should get Pearson ?

 

[80s Shorts]

Embarrassing that he's not been sacked yet.

Oh dear. Do you uncontrollably blush when you discover your zip is down in public?

I do, but I'm a modest kind of chap.

 

[robbieh]

A lot of papers are linking Rafa with the job which is interesting.

That would be like sacking Mr Bean and hiring Selwyn Froggitt.

Rafa employed for 6 games to get us in the CL or Pellegrini. No brainer.