Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[stony]

A lot of papers are linking Rafa with the job which is interesting.

That would be like sacking Mr Bean and hiring Selwyn Froggitt.

I mentioned this in another post or thread but it was interesting to read Craig Bellamy's view of working with Benitez. He said he was a real cold fish but the most tactically astute manager he's ever worked with. They would work on specific routines relentlessly in training, rather than just play small or full size games and they would carry out those drills to the letter on the field.

The players didn't have the freedom to make ad-hoc decisions as Bellamy reckoned Rafa didn't trust the players on or off the pitch. He would also be meticulous about finding ways of nullifying the opposition attack.

So his hallmarks were meticulous preparation but with tactical awareness & flexibility, plus great awareness of the opposition. I'm not a huge Benitez fan but isn't that what we want from Pellegrini?

Not if he stifles the creativity of players like Silva it isn't. We've already had a manager who was tactically astute but rubbed people up the wrong way. What was the point of sacking Mancini if all we do is go for Mancini mk2.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

A lot of papers are linking Rafa with the job which is interesting.

That would be like sacking Mr Bean and hiring Selwyn Froggitt.

I mentioned this in another post or thread but it was interesting to read Craig Bellamy's view of working with Benitez. He said he was a real cold fish but the most tactically astute manager he's ever worked with. They would work on specific routines relentlessly in training, rather than just play small or full size games and they would carry out those drills to the letter on the field.

The players didn't have the freedom to make ad-hoc decisions as Bellamy reckoned Rafa didn't trust the players on or off the pitch. He would also be meticulous about finding ways of nullifying the opposition attack.

So his hallmarks were meticulous preparation but with tactical awareness & flexibility, plus great awareness of the opposition. I'm not a huge Benitez fan but isn't that what we want from Pellegrini?

I think the biggest issue for Benitez at Liverpool were the number of mediocre signings.

As it seems Txiki does the signings and at best Rafa would be involved in the committee to come up with names maybe he would be a good fit.

If it comes down to Rafa or Pelle for next season well I'm quite partial to a Spanish omelette

 

[DelToro]

Something will happen at 5pm.

Thats my last hope for today.

I'm eating Chicken Casserole at 5pm but God help you if that is the highlight of your day.

A bike ride, then casserole at 5, god it's like Facebook on here.
What are you doing tomorrow ?

I don't know.

Are you free?

 

[hilts]

A lot of papers are linking Rafa with the job which is interesting.

That would be like sacking Mr Bean and hiring Selwyn Froggitt.

I mentioned this in another post or thread but it was interesting to read Craig Bellamy's view of working with Benitez. He said he was a real cold fish but the most tactically astute manager he's ever worked with. They would work on specific routines relentlessly in training, rather than just play small or full size games and they would carry out those drills to the letter on the field.

The players didn't have the freedom to make ad-hoc decisions as Bellamy reckoned Rafa didn't trust the players on or off the pitch. He would also be meticulous about finding ways of nullifying the opposition attack.

So his hallmarks were meticulous preparation but with tactical awareness & flexibility, plus great awareness of the opposition. I'm not a huge Benitez fan but isn't that what we want from Pellegrini?

Top four would be guaranteed shame we can't get him for six games only

 

[cookster]

That would be like sacking Mr Bean and hiring Selwyn Froggitt.

I mentioned this in another post or thread but it was interesting to read Craig Bellamy's view of working with Benitez. He said he was a real cold fish but the most tactically astute manager he's ever worked with. They would work on specific routines relentlessly in training, rather than just play small or full size games and they would carry out those drills to the letter on the field.

The players didn't have the freedom to make ad-hoc decisions as Bellamy reckoned Rafa didn't trust the players on or off the pitch. He would also be meticulous about finding ways of nullifying the opposition attack.

So his hallmarks were meticulous preparation but with tactical awareness & flexibility, plus great awareness of the opposition. I'm not a huge Benitez fan but isn't that what we want from Pellegrini?

We want Pellegrini to win. And when he does that we bestow meaningless cliches on him as a form of praise.

When Pellegrini loses, we then bestow different meaningless cliches on him as a form of damnation.

Essentially managers need to win games and they're a genius or lose games and they're a moron. The reasons for which are never really defined very well and even a small prodding into the realm of the specifics shows loose logic.

Wow, I think you may have stumbled upon a magic formula........

 

[mancity1]

My main concern is the total lack of any idea of how to defend, we have gone from looking rock solid at the back to being all over the place. The idea that we should just all stand on the edge of the box hoping to catch someone offside is plain crazy. Years ago when being level was offside and there was no interfering/not interfering with play, this was a viable tactic but not now. We just look like idiots game after game. Here is a crazy thought......Let our defenders, defend! Why rely on some idiot with a flag to determine our fate? Just defend!

When you look at some of our baffling tactics and our form falling off a cliff its unsurprising that he looks set for the chop and if he is sacked I can certainly see why. The main argument against it for me is the message it sends out, to the outside world it will almost certainly look like "Win the league or youre sacked" and I dont see how that is a sustainable model because no team wins the league every year!

Whatever happens going forward I think we should remember he won us the double last season. Yeah there will be those that say he did it with someone else's team but you could point that finger at a lot of managers these days given the lack of time most managers get in the top jobs. He did us proud last season and think on that basis he deserves a certain level of respect.

He will leave with the blessings of the club and the vast majority of the supporters and stakeholders but its not easy to sugar coat a sacking and despite getting rid of two managers in the space of just on two years I and the vast majority of supporters will not regard our club as a club that sacks managers at the drop of the hat or upon some knee jerk reaction to the club falling below expectations.

He was never going to be the man to take us forward to the next level and at best was only going to manage this club for three years Pep or no Pep or any other manager we target along the way.

Its important that we all realise that and when you understand why you realise that when he is replaced either before seasons end or during the summer its not as important that he is replaced which is the right thing to do but who we replace him with.

MP is a decent manager but not one that can lead us to where we want to go next , maybe the next manager won't either and I don't see our set up as anything other than what is different managerial wise at clubs like Bayern, Real Madrid , Barcelona , PSG and Manure now.

I personally believe he is better suited to Spain , perhaps Italy and as far as Europe goes its not surprising he will manage the majority of his in these countries.

He might not manage again after this season but if he does it won't be in the premiership.

Of course our squad has a lot to answer for and a significant number will pay the price by having some of their wags having to socialise with a new set of wags which some won't like as it should be when you get paid well and don't perform for the supporters , the manager, themselves etc.

People know when you put in a shift for the team first and yourself second and do it consistently irrespective of your level of skill , speed and desire and mental spirit if I coin an Arsene line.

Those that don't don't deserve to be at this club for too long but those in charge of who comes and goes are always under the gun because as they should live or die on their ability to get the players that will improve the performance of the side overall in both play , style , intensity and result over 95 minutes week in week out.

You won't always get the rub of the green in any given match but in the end superior talent but more importantly commitment to winning having that talent will win out in the end.

Our current squad fails into what is important and you can talk about formations and style all you like but in the end its commitment to winning every challenge , commitment to keeping a clean sheet , commitment to beating your direct opponent at every set piece , commitment to winning relentlessly even when all seems lost that matters.

The players don't have it and the managment can't instil that into them over 95 minutes so MP has to go and serious number of players have to go as well.

Its actually healthy and long overdue and we will be better for it when its completed in an efficient and cost effective way as possible.

Good post - any suggestions for a replacement?

Not really like you i will be interested in who we bring in , would prefer someone from left field a bit younger maybe not even proven in the Chumps League but instils passion and belief in players and that desire to win that even players of lesser ilk than those we have had in the past achieve on bigger stages.

I am not a huge fan of managers under a DOF arrangement hanging around for too long as they tend not to anyway no matter the level of output from the side.

What interests me more is the players we will bring in the summer and how quickly we lift our intensity in games next season.

I haven't really enjoyed many of our games this season especially as we haven't been winning enough of them.

1-0 wins even if they are dour capture my attention far more often than 2-1 defeats or preytell the 4-2 fiasco of last night.

I love seeing how you go about keeping clean sheets and even when you do sometimes the scoreline will be much better than a dour 1-0 win.

 

[cookster]

That would be like sacking Mr Bean and hiring Selwyn Froggitt.

I mentioned this in another post or thread but it was interesting to read Craig Bellamy's view of working with Benitez. He said he was a real cold fish but the most tactically astute manager he's ever worked with. They would work on specific routines relentlessly in training, rather than just play small or full size games and they would carry out those drills to the letter on the field.

The players didn't have the freedom to make ad-hoc decisions as Bellamy reckoned Rafa didn't trust the players on or off the pitch. He would also be meticulous about finding ways of nullifying the opposition attack.

So his hallmarks were meticulous preparation but with tactical awareness & flexibility, plus great awareness of the opposition. I'm not a huge Benitez fan but isn't that what we want from Pellegrini?

I think the biggest issue for Benitez at Liverpool were the number of mediocre signings.

As it seems Txiki does the signings and at best Rafa would be involved in the committee to come up with names maybe he would be a good fit.

If it comes down to Rafa or Pelle for next season well I'm quite partial to a Spanish omelette

Benitez is a huge upgrade on Pellegrini. You only have to look at the C.V.

 

[ojeme]

Can we go for Heynckes? I know he's retired now but I think a little bit of persuading and rubbing his back can make him have a rethink.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

I mentioned this in another post or thread but it was interesting to read Craig Bellamy's view of working with Benitez. He said he was a real cold fish but the most tactically astute manager he's ever worked with. They would work on specific routines relentlessly in training, rather than just play small or full size games and they would carry out those drills to the letter on the field.

The players didn't have the freedom to make ad-hoc decisions as Bellamy reckoned Rafa didn't trust the players on or off the pitch. He would also be meticulous about finding ways of nullifying the opposition attack.

So his hallmarks were meticulous preparation but with tactical awareness & flexibility, plus great awareness of the opposition. I'm not a huge Benitez fan but isn't that what we want from Pellegrini?

I think the biggest issue for Benitez at Liverpool were the number of mediocre signings.

As it seems Txiki does the signings and at best Rafa would be involved in the committee to come up with names maybe he would be a good fit.

If it comes down to Rafa or Pelle for next season well I'm quite partial to a Spanish omelette

Agreed, we have Txiki to make the mediocre signings so they'd get along famously at the committee.

 

[chesterbells]

I'm eating Chicken Casserole at 5pm but God help you if that is the highlight of your day.

A bike ride, then casserole at 5, god it's like Facebook on here.
What are you doing tomorrow ?

I don't know.

Are you free?

Nah, gonna try the Killer Mile up Mow Cop if it's dry.
Or I might just spend the day thinking about Vieira's tactical nous