Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[cibaman]

‏@City_Watch
The Guardian: Manuel Pellegrini's future could be decided on Sunday with chairman Khaldoon set to conduct his annual review of the campaign.

Our Pep obsession will see him remain at City.

The MEN suggesting Khaldoon may not even be there, and may conduct the review by video-conference, suggests its even more likely he'll be staying to me

Apparently the fiasco surrounding Hughes' final day at the club was caused because Khaldoon felt obliged to sack him in person, but was then delayed travelling. Perhaps he's decided that its better to do it remotely?

I think its extremely unlikely that Pellegrini is going to be sacked. It would be all over the media by now if it a decision had been made to replace him.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Obviously you have the inside information that I don't.

But either way "holistic" isn't just a word, it's a concept which Soriano, Begiristain and from his speaking elsewhere, Sheikh Mansour firmly believe in and how they run their businesses.

And the idea that a player will EVER come out of ANY Academy and be good enough to walk into our side is hilarious

Just out of interest, where has the good Sheikh spoken about how he runs his businesses and, in particular, used the word "holistic"? Honest question. I would be interested to hear what he has to say. I am a little sceptical, though. Holistic just sounds like consultancy-speak to me.

Soriano thread

Found it, thanks.

It was more about service delivery than how he runs his businesses (or let's his businesses be run), but it's not a stretch to imagine how he would be attracted to executives who espouse a similar philosophy.

Makes sense as well, of course. No problems with holisticity as a concept, just don't like it much as a word. It's the sort of buzzword you charge more for using.

Interesting to hear him speak.

 

[OB1]

Should be sacked on Monday if he plays a full team against Soton. Simple as that.

I agree with much that you say but I hope that is a wind-up. Not that I don't think he should give a youngster or two a taste of the first team. He also though needs to let one or two have their City Swansong and deliver another win against a team that will be up for it. Ending the season as the form team in the division is something positive to take into next season.

Mourinho is about to give his eighth young player a run in the first team. The sum total of Pellegrini is two. He played Pozo out of position and we never saw him again, and he dropped Lopes after one very good game and then one poor one.

I assuming Pellegrini will be around next season. I don't think whether we win or lose a game against a lower ranked opponent will turn on whether one of Barker, Ambrose, Pozo, Celina Angelino or Maffeo is on the pitch. Even if Angelino, for example, does make a mistake, no one here can deny that both Clichy and Kolarov have made plenty of mistakes this season. But of course when both had horror runs they continued to get picked because Pellegrini had faith and trust in them. So if Angelino makes a mistake then so be it. That's what happens to all players now and then.

If Mourinho of all people can introduce young players, then Khaldoon should in no uncertain terms be telling Pellegrini the same thing as part of the annual review.

It's about introducing the player at the right time in a game. None of us are advocating starting games with half the EDS squad. But we are advocating the wise and thoughtful introduction of these players during games.

For once, just once, I would like Pellegrini to play someone under the age of 23.

I wouldn't disagree with what you say; although Mourinho is certainly not a shining example of someone that gives youth a chance.

I'm certainly not suggesting that he should not use the game on Sunday as a way to introduce some younger players to first team life but I don't see it as a sacking offence if he doesn't. Therefore, I don't see it a the number one priority for tomorrow's game: when I set off on the 180 mile journey home, I won't be comforted by the fact that some EDS kids got a run out if we have lost the game. And, yeah, we might lose the game if we play a full side.

It's all about getting the balance right.

I don't normally watch the EDS so it is hard to comment on how ready any of them might be. I did watch the last 30 mins of their game at Saints the other night and was quite impressed by some of the play. Hopefully, next season some of our younger players will be deemed capable of some first team game time; maybe even the likes of Lopes will make the first team squad but I sense it could still be tough for them to break through in the very near term; whoever the manager is. I'm sure we will see increasing numbers of them over the coming years.

 

[OB1]

Our Pep obsession will see him remain at City.

The MEN suggesting Khaldoon may not even be there, and may conduct the review by video-conference, suggests its even more likely he'll be staying to me

Apparently the fiasco surrounding Hughes' final day at the club was caused because Khaldoon felt obliged to sack him in person, but was then delayed travelling. Perhaps he's decided that its better to do it remotely?

I think its extremely unlikely that Pellegrini is going to be sacked. It would be all over the media by now if it a decision had been made to replace him.

I have always thought the club got too much stick over the last two sackings; as in the club did not, intentionally, treat the outgoing managers badly. Where the club went wrong was not managing to keep the lid on what was going to happen; which is incredibly difficult in this day and age. I'm sure, therefore, that if they are planning a change this summer, they will have gone to extraordinary lengths to minimise the chance of leaks. However, I don't think that is why we don't know: I think it is just the case that Pellegrini will be kept in place for the last year of his contract. In which case, I hope Pep has given some sort of unbreakable Catalan blood oath to Txiki (Yes, I know TB's not Catalan).

 

[Seosa]

I hope his comments about not needing a major surgery are representative of his poker face. If he's staying and this is his genuine opinion then he truly is naive.

I'm a big fan of the man and moderately so of the man as manager but I do worry that we'll be stuttering again next season if he remains, with or without new signings. Or he could incorporate these new signings perfectly in time for a new manager, who knows.

 

[BillyShears]

The MEN suggesting Khaldoon may not even be there, and may conduct the review by video-conference, suggests its even more likely he'll be staying to me

Apparently the fiasco surrounding Hughes' final day at the club was caused because Khaldoon felt obliged to sack him in person, but was then delayed travelling. Perhaps he's decided that its better to do it remotely?

I think its extremely unlikely that Pellegrini is going to be sacked. It would be all over the media by now if it a decision had been made to replace him.

I have always thought the club got too much stick over the last two sackings; as in the club did not, intentionally, treat the outgoing managers badly. Where the club went wrong was not managing to keep the lid on what was going to happen; which is incredibly difficult in this day and age. I'm sure, therefore, that if they are planning a change this summer, they will have gone to extraordinary lengths to minimise the chance of leaks. However, I don't think that is why we don't know: I think it is just the case that Pellegrini will be kept in place for the last year of his contract. In which case, I hope Pep has given some sort of unbreakable Catalan blood oath to Txiki (Yes, I know TB's not Catalan).

There's no good way to sack someone. All you can hope for is that your club has already put future plans in place when someone is sacked, which is exactly what City did with Hughes and Mancini. The moral hand wringing is just tabloid nonsense. Both men walked away with multi million pound pay offs. In Mancini's case he was pretty much asking to be sacked for the six months leading up to his sacking.

I'd say that if Pellegrini stays on this summer it's because it is a cast iron 100% guarantee that Pep will be our next manager.

 

[OB1]

Apparently the fiasco surrounding Hughes' final day at the club was caused because Khaldoon felt obliged to sack him in person, but was then delayed travelling. Perhaps he's decided that its better to do it remotely?

I think its extremely unlikely that Pellegrini is going to be sacked. It would be all over the media by now if it a decision had been made to replace him.

I have always thought the club got too much stick over the last two sackings; as in the club did not, intentionally, treat the outgoing managers badly. Where the club went wrong was not managing to keep the lid on what was going to happen; which is incredibly difficult in this day and age. I'm sure, therefore, that if they are planning a change this summer, they will have gone to extraordinary lengths to minimise the chance of leaks. However, I don't think that is why we don't know: I think it is just the case that Pellegrini will be kept in place for the last year of his contract. In which case, I hope Pep has given some sort of unbreakable Catalan blood oath to Txiki (Yes, I know TB's not Catalan).

There's no good way to sack someone. All you can hope for is that your club has already put future plans in place when someone is sacked, which is exactly what City did with Hughes and Mancini. The moral hand wringing is just tabloid nonsense. Both men walked away with multi million pound pay offs. In Mancini's case he was pretty much asking to be sacked for the six months leading up to his sacking.

I'd say that if Pellegrini stays on this summer it's because it is a cast iron 100% guarantee that Pep will be our next manager.

Obviously, you cannot get a 100% guarantee on such things; even if Pep has given his word, he could fall under a bus. But, I agree that Pellers staying would indicate that City are planning for Pep's arrival. If that is indeed the case, I have said before that I would like to see Paddy V promoted to the first team coaching staff ahead of becoming Pep's #2. For now I'd have PV alongside Ruben and Kiddo; unless BK has decide it is time to retire or fancies coaching the youngsters.

 

[cibaman]

I have always thought the club got too much stick over the last two sackings; as in the club did not, intentionally, treat the outgoing managers badly. Where the club went wrong was not managing to keep the lid on what was going to happen; which is incredibly difficult in this day and age. I'm sure, therefore, that if they are planning a change this summer, they will have gone to extraordinary lengths to minimise the chance of leaks. However, I don't think that is why we don't know: I think it is just the case that Pellegrini will be kept in place for the last year of his contract. In which case, I hope Pep has given some sort of unbreakable Catalan blood oath to Txiki (Yes, I know TB's not Catalan).

There's no good way to sack someone. All you can hope for is that your club has already put future plans in place when someone is sacked, which is exactly what City did with Hughes and Mancini. The moral hand wringing is just tabloid nonsense. Both men walked away with multi million pound pay offs. In Mancini's case he was pretty much asking to be sacked for the six months leading up to his sacking.

I'd say that if Pellegrini stays on this summer it's because it is a cast iron 100% guarantee that Pep will be our next manager.

Obviously, you cannot get a 100% guarantee on such things; even if Pep has given his word, he could fall under a bus. But, I agree that Pellers staying would indicate that City are planning for Pep's arrival. If that is indeed the case, I have said before that I would like to see Paddy V promoted to the first team coaching staff ahead of becoming Pep's #2. For now I'd have PV alongside Ruben and Kiddo; unless BK has decide it is time to retire or fancies coaching the youngsters.

They would, at the very least, have to have agreed the major term's of Guardiola's contract. That would show some serious intent. We can't just be making a decision based on Guardiola's friendship with Begiristain.

Signing up Vieira would also have to be a pre-requisite. We absolutely must have a back up option in place in the event that Pellegrini's position becomes untenable next season.

 

[BillyShears]

I have always thought the club got too much stick over the last two sackings; as in the club did not, intentionally, treat the outgoing managers badly. Where the club went wrong was not managing to keep the lid on what was going to happen; which is incredibly difficult in this day and age. I'm sure, therefore, that if they are planning a change this summer, they will have gone to extraordinary lengths to minimise the chance of leaks. However, I don't think that is why we don't know: I think it is just the case that Pellegrini will be kept in place for the last year of his contract. In which case, I hope Pep has given some sort of unbreakable Catalan blood oath to Txiki (Yes, I know TB's not Catalan).

There's no good way to sack someone. All you can hope for is that your club has already put future plans in place when someone is sacked, which is exactly what City did with Hughes and Mancini. The moral hand wringing is just tabloid nonsense. Both men walked away with multi million pound pay offs. In Mancini's case he was pretty much asking to be sacked for the six months leading up to his sacking.

I'd say that if Pellegrini stays on this summer it's because it is a cast iron 100% guarantee that Pep will be our next manager.

Obviously, you cannot get a 100% guarantee on such things; even if Pep has given his word, he could fall under a bus. But, I agree that Pellers staying would indicate that City are planning for Pep's arrival. If that is indeed the case, I have said before that I would like to see Paddy V promoted to the first team coaching staff ahead of becoming Pep's #2. For now I'd have PV alongside Ruben and Kiddo; unless BK has decide it is time to retire or fancies coaching the youngsters.

I still think it's not out of the question that it'll happen this summer. We shouldn't underestimate the politics at play in Munich at present.

Dunno what's going to happen with PV, I read quotes from him from somewhere saying that he wanted to stay on as EDS coach.

Honestly I think it's much more complicated for Bayern to deal with a manager going into the last 12 months of his contract, especially Pep, than it is for us to deal with going into next season without renewing MP's. I think our season and the transition into Pep will be pretty smooth.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I still think it's not out of the question that it'll happen this summer. We shouldn't underestimate the politics at play in Munich at present.

Dunno what's going to happen with PV, I read quotes from him from somewhere saying that he wanted to stay on as EDS coach.

Honestly I think it's much more complicated for Bayern to deal with a manager going into the last 12 months of his contract, especially Pep, than it is for us to deal with going into next season without renewing MP's. I think our season and the transition into Pep will be pretty smooth.

As always, it depends on a lot of things, some of which are out of the club's control. It could quite easily be a smooth transition, or it could be a disastrous year with rumours, leaks, aggressive press conferences, demotivation and the rest, especially when there is inevitably a run of poor results. Imagination the destabilisation that will be going on when we face Bayern again in the CL. This is the risk analysis the management have to make, I guess.