Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[PragueBlue]

Re: Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

Oh it's the 50 IQ brigade again not understanding stark differences. If you can't see a difference between Mancini's toxic atmosphere, not winning a single CL game his last season, and losing to a soon-to-be-relegated team in the cup final, then there is no hope for you. Go on talking tactics like you actually have a fucking clue.

Do you think Pellegrini has created a toxic situation in the dressing room and around the club?
If you say yes, show some proof.

Do you think Pellegrini has done near as fucking hopelessly as Mancini in Europe?
If you say yes, you're just a fool because there's no way anyone could argue that.

Did Pellegrini win the same number of trophies in his first year as manager as Mancini did in 3? Even after Mancini left us with a team that would lose to Wigan, and then a few weeks later Reading? Yep.

I think most of you fucks just like to slag off the guy who has some class and isn't up in the technical area calling the opposing manager a "c**t". 6-7 years ago we would have all been hoping that the club didn't sack someone like Pellegrini, but here we are... unabashed entitlement.

I would suggest the results are a fair indication that all is not well. Our worst run of form for a few years. Players losing form due to being constantly chopped and changed. Rigidly sticking to a system that is not working.

He has us in 4th position and is danger of not automatically qualifying for the CL. We went out of one cup at home to a very understrength Newcastle and out of the other cup at home to a team from the championship. In the CL we just scraped through but we went out as soon as we came up against one of the better teams.

Personally I am not too bothered whether he is a nice and classy guy or not (and I have no idea whether he really is or isn't). He is here to do a job and isn't doing it very well at present. Just as it was time to part company with Mancini, it probably is time to call an end to Pellegrini's time here at the end of the season.

I would disagree on that point but I guess it does depend how literally one take's such a comment. The fact is that our defeats tend to be marginal and we have lost games, like Palace, that we should have won by most measures, other than the one that counts: goals.

Our results has not been good enough and performances have not been consistently at the right level but I do think a relatively small improvement would make a big difference results wise.

I think a variety of factors have combined and hurt us this season (at various times) but I do not think masses of things are wrong in how the team / club is managed / run. However, although I think the time has come for a bit of an overhaul of the squad, I am disappointed that the manager has not found any solutions to our current problems. I understand the club's values but I don't understand why a bit more pragmatism and a back-to-basics approach has not been taken. I don't have all the facts though.

I believe that if he tried using a more settled line up (especially the defence) and played players in their best positions, we would have seen better results and performances.

I generally agree with you that there's not too much wrong with the squad but it needs a bit of freshening up and a bit more balance. I feel that will happen in the Summer window anyway regardless if Pellegrini stays or goes.

 

[nellyonthewing]

Re: Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

I don't quite get this whole 'Holistic approach' . Surely telling every fooker in advance this is how we will set up against you.( High line ,pressing blah blah .etc etc is arrogant to the point of stupidity. )
We are not Barca and whilst they might get away with sending out their advance battle plans - we are City it doesn't work that way.

 

[richards30]

Re: Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

Huge day for manuel today and a bad or heavy defeat should spell the end asap.

 

[OB1]

Re: Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

I would suggest the results are a fair indication that all is not well. Our worst run of form for a few years. Players losing form due to being constantly chopped and changed. Rigidly sticking to a system that is not working.

He has us in 4th position and is danger of not automatically qualifying for the CL. We went out of one cup at home to a very understrength Newcastle and out of the other cup at home to a team from the championship. In the CL we just scraped through but we went out as soon as we came up against one of the better teams.

Personally I am not too bothered whether he is a nice and classy guy or not (and I have no idea whether he really is or isn't). He is here to do a job and isn't doing it very well at present. Just as it was time to part company with Mancini, it probably is time to call an end to Pellegrini's time here at the end of the season.

I would disagree on that point but I guess it does depend how literally one take's such a comment. The fact is that our defeats tend to be marginal and we have lost games, like Palace, that we should have won by most measures, other than the one that counts: goals.

Our results has not been good enough and performances have not been consistently at the right level but I do think a relatively small improvement would make a big difference results wise.

I think a variety of factors have combined and hurt us this season (at various times) but I do not think masses of things are wrong in how the team / club is managed / run. However, although I think the time has come for a bit of an overhaul of the squad, I am disappointed that the manager has not found any solutions to our current problems. I understand the club's values but I don't understand why a bit more pragmatism and a back-to-basics approach has not been taken. I don't have all the facts though.

I keep wondering if droppin jovetic from chump squad has put a divide in the camp somewhat

Maybe it did put some noses out of joint but the manager had to leave someone out so that is not something per se to hold Pellegrini accountable for. Pellegrini is of course accountable for how he handled it and I have no idea if he did that well.

If there are dressing room cliques / factions etc, the manager can only do so much about that but, if it causes problems, he has to try and always has the ultimate solution of trying to move players on but he cannot do that outside of the windows.

 

[OB1]

Re: Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

I would suggest the results are a fair indication that all is not well. Our worst run of form for a few years. Players losing form due to being constantly chopped and changed. Rigidly sticking to a system that is not working.

He has us in 4th position and is danger of not automatically qualifying for the CL. We went out of one cup at home to a very understrength Newcastle and out of the other cup at home to a team from the championship. In the CL we just scraped through but we went out as soon as we came up against one of the better teams.

Personally I am not too bothered whether he is a nice and classy guy or not (and I have no idea whether he really is or isn't). He is here to do a job and isn't doing it very well at present. Just as it was time to part company with Mancini, it probably is time to call an end to Pellegrini's time here at the end of the season.

I would disagree on that point but I guess it does depend how literally one take's such a comment. The fact is that our defeats tend to be marginal and we have lost games, like Palace, that we should have won by most measures, other than the one that counts: goals.

Our results has not been good enough and performances have not been consistently at the right level but I do think a relatively small improvement would make a big difference results wise.

I think a variety of factors have combined and hurt us this season (at various times) but I do not think masses of things are wrong in how the team / club is managed / run. However, although I think the time has come for a bit of an overhaul of the squad, I am disappointed that the manager has not found any solutions to our current problems. I understand the club's values but I don't understand why a bit more pragmatism and a back-to-basics approach has not been taken. I don't have all the facts though.

I believe that if he tried using a more settled line up (especially the defence) and played players in their best positions, we would have seen better results and performances.

I generally agree with you that there's not too much wrong with the squad but it needs a bit of freshening up and a bit more balance. I feel that will happen in the Summer window anyway regardless if Pellegrini stays or goes.

On that I do concur; although I am not an opponent of rotation and believe that players at title chasing teams need to be prepared to deal with that.

If the squad is not seriously freshened up this summer, I believe the owner and his officers will be derelict in their duties.

 

[Bill]

Re: Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

Huge day for manuel today and a bad or heavy defeat should spell the end asap.

he's safe then.

 

[baildon blue]

Re: Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

To me that spat between Soriano and Pellergrini did more damage than leaving Jovetic out .
Soriano just has much to blame for this season has Pellergrini .
In fact if both went next week I would be very happy .

 

[Damanino]

Re: Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

Imo all of our problems are the lack of pressing and the lack of balance between defending/attacking.

But Pelle had two years to organize these and he didnt. Then this serious loss of form in every player what we have now...

Today imo he will be "asked" some tactical questions by Van Gaal. He must answer with a win or at least a draw.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Re: Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

The owner derilict in his duties? Duties to who exactly? I can't believe I read that.

I would disagree on that point but I guess it does depend how literally one take's such a comment. The fact is that our defeats tend to be marginal and we have lost games, like Palace, that we should have won by most measures, other than the one that counts: goals.

Our results has not been good enough and performances have not been consistently at the right level but I do think a relatively small improvement would make a big difference results wise.

I think a variety of factors have combined and hurt us this season (at various times) but I do not think masses of things are wrong in how the team / club is managed / run. However, although I think the time has come for a bit of an overhaul of the squad, I am disappointed that the manager has not found any solutions to our current problems. I understand the club's values but I don't understand why a bit more pragmatism and a back-to-basics approach has not been taken. I don't have all the facts though.

I believe that if he tried using a more settled line up (especially the defence) and played players in their best positions, we would have seen better results and performances.

I generally agree with you that there's not too much wrong with the squad but it needs a bit of freshening up and a bit more balance. I feel that will happen in the Summer window anyway regardless if Pellegrini stays or goes.

On that I do concur; although I am not an opponent of rotation and believe that players at title chasing teams need to be prepared to deal with that.

If the squad is not seriously freshened up this summer, I believe the owner and his officers will be derelict in their duties.

 

[Bill]

Re: Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

he's made some proper blunders but now is not the time to sack him, in fact its time we backed him. lets finish the season and see where we are. put it this way I'd rather be in our shoes today with pellers at the helm than the fucking imposter they have over there.