Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

[OB1]

Yep. Seems you don't though.

City were denying that Mancini was getting the right right up until the FA Cup Final. In fact the stated reason that they sacked him earlier was because somebody leaked it internally. He was sacked a couple of days later purely because the press had gotten a hold of the story despite City denying it constantly.

I'll ask again, do you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?

You suggested City gave firm denials right up until they sacked Mancini, that's simply not the case. There was rumours in the weeks before, but the big story in all of the national sports media the day of the cup final was that Mancini was being replaced by Pellegrini. I'm not sure if you went to that cup final, but the atmosphere the whole day was subdued, all fans were talking about was Mancini. The players looked lost. It clearly affected Mancini's preparation, he even asked the press officer to deny it in front of the national press after we'd been beaten, which she didn't.

The club and the press office hung him out to dry. The should have issued a firm denial on the morning of the game for the good of the club, the good of the team and it's supporters. Instead the silence was deafening, and without question had an influence on the management and the teams performance that day. It was almost as if the board didn't want us to win the cup as it would have made it harder to dismiss the manager at the end of the season....

Thats it exactly the lack of WINNER MENTALITY of City Neville was mention on the DM... If a big club want to win something, you and your board have to stay behind them (the squad), mostly in a final game or the final path of a competition, like the Premier now... give all to reach your goals...

Then you will have all the time in the world to sake all the managers and throw away (sell) the players you want from the team...

This club has finally TO LEARN from OF ALL THOSE MISTAKES from the past...

just saying... :-)

Mentality, mentality, mentality. ;-)

 

[allan harper]

Its really a bit sad on here to read some opinions....

It feels, like some are more interessed and happier than Pellegrini go out, than seeing the club WIN SOMETHING, or any other aim (supporting another club by hate our present, manager, or lack of succesful).

And... maybe, youre totally right on this... but, even if its that the case now, is to be fair to WAIT till the end of the season and now to shut up about anything else than to PLAY the games the team still have to play (fight)...

It is over only when its over... just saying...

Let's just say that it is a sad state of affairs at the moment. City's form this year is dreadful, which, combined with a poor start to the season, raises valid questions about how the team has been managed.

I just hope that the players find it in themselves to go out and really fight for the manager (and the club...) in the final few games.

I've no crystal ball but even I know that your last sentence isn't going to happen. Those players who won't be here after the summer won't give two fucks. One or two might up their game on Sunday but only because it's united not because of the manager. Some of them haven't bothered all season, so why should they now.

 

[Universidad de Chile]

Its really a bit sad on here to read some opinions....

It feels, like some are more interessed and happier than Pellegrini go out, than seeing the club WIN SOMETHING, or any other aim (supporting another club by hate our present, manager, or lack of succesful).

And... maybe, youre totally right on this... but, even if its that the case now, is to be fair to WAIT till the end of the season and now to shut up about anything else than to PLAY the games the team still have to play (fight)...

It is over only when its over... just saying...

It's been a strange season. A lot of people gave up on the title the first time we slipped behind Chelsea in the autumn and to some extent since then, even during our winning run in winter, many remained convinced that we wouldn't be strong enough to catch them.

It's been a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy because since the new year the performances have too many times reflected the defeatist attitude of the support all season. It's chicken and egg though because supporters will say they reflect the performances.

Ultimately it's been a disappointing campaign and if we're honest there has been a small but vocal minority who don't like Pellegrini full stop, and never have. This mixture was always going to lead to there being very little appetite to believe or focus on the run in if we fell behind Chelsea as we have.

Yeah, I agree with that. Its a strange season, yeap.

The point is only, that, whatever what happens, with this or another manager, the fans have to be UNITE for one time in a life to get the club win something ...

it feels everything only like the last titles (2012, 2014) were only an accidental achievement reached only because the players were too good or their determination.... or whatever was the case, but NOT because of the fans.

Maybe I´m wrong, I dont know... but we were living the same thing in 2011 with my club (Universidad de Chile) and Sampaoli, when we win our first cup before sooo many decades and years of absence and lost.

Thats was the reason one part of the fans starting to call the new fans, the 2011 fans.

Its likely to be the same thing with City.

So you have the old fans (Old School fans) and the new 2012 Manchester City fans... the new ones who think we were always winners and now we have all the money in the world to spend (= new rich people).

I think, I like better to remain as an old one...

Somethink like, "Still love City... even if they only win (now)" ^^

 

[Bill]

i have no great desire to replace pelligrini, i think he has managed our team with his hands tied behind his back regarding the players he's been handed.ffp and begiristain between them have dealt pellers a poor hand. my only worry about keeping him is the risk, the risk that although restricting another manager would have done a far better job with this squad. its the old dammed if you do scenario. i dont think our ownwer will take that risk. if we could get ancelloti i'd do it asap.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

i have no great desire to replace pelligrini, i think he has managed our team with his hands tied behind his back regarding the players he's been handed.ffp and begiristain between them have dealt pellers a poor hand. my only worry about keeping him is the risk, the risk that although restricting another manager would have done a far better job with this squad. its the old dammed if you do scenario. i dont think our ownwer will take that risk. if we could get ancelloti i'd do it asap.

I think he's been given more than enough resources. Every man and his dog were in for Mangala, he's failed to get the best out of him whilst ruining a good prospect in Nastasic. Negredo looked like a world beater until he decided to risk him in an already over cup tie, yes he eventually wanted to go back to Spain but being fit and performing week in week out might have persuaded him to stay.

Jovetic was seen as one of the best young strikers in Europe when he signed. Injuries have hampered him but Pellegrini has probably smashed his confidence to pieces with the way he handled the champions league squad announcement.

And any manager who gets a player like Bony in a January window should utilise him straight away. Not pick a lumbering around out of form striker like Dzeko.

Milner might have signed his contract if he had been played more. Instead he's had to sit on the bench and watch Yaya walk around on the pitch as the manager won't drop him.

And don't get me started on 442, soon as I saw the team sheet for Barca at home I knew we were out. You can bet your house he will start with two strikers on Sunday, it's so predictable even the tea lady at the swamp will have us figured out.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing but we were all wanking ourselves silly on here in the summer about how well we went about our business. We'd apparently solved the problem of the centre half and defensive midfield conundrum. We also got decent back up for Zabaleta. Pellegrini was given the personnel and managed them all in the wrong way.

All this rests with the manager who has the best squad in the premier league but now sits in forth and not a single player in any type of form whilst playing a system that no top team in Europe plays. What does he do in the week at training and why can't he even coach them to take a corner? If Malaga want him back I'm sure there's enough blues on here who would have a whip round to easy jet him back to the costa del sol.

 

[BlueRockape]

i have no great desire to replace pelligrini, i think he has managed our team with his hands tied behind his back regarding the players he's been handed.ffp and begiristain between them have dealt pellers a poor hand. my only worry about keeping him is the risk, the risk that although restricting another manager would have done a far better job with this squad. its the old dammed if you do scenario. i dont think our ownwer will take that risk. if we could get ancelloti i'd do it asap.

I think he's been given more than enough resources. Every man and his dog were in for Mangala, he's failed to get the best out of him whilst ruining a good prospect in Nastasic. Negredo looked like a world beater until he decided to risk him in an already over cup tie, yes he eventually wanted to go back to Spain but being fit and performing week in week out might have persuaded him to stay.

Jovetic was seen as one of the best young strikers in Europe when he signed. Injuries have hampered him but Pellegrini has probably smashed his confidence to pieces with the way he handled the champions league squad announcement.

And any manager who gets a player like Bony in a January window should utilise him straight away. Not pick a lumbering around out of form striker like Dzeko.

Milner might have signed his contract if he had been played more. Instead he's had to sit on the bench and watch Yaya walk around on the pitch as the manager won't drop him.

And don't get me started on 442, soon as I saw the team sheet for Barca at home I knew we were out. You can bet your house he will start with two strikers on Sunday, it's so predictable even the tea lady at the swamp will have us figured out.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing but we were all wanking ourselves silly on here in the summer about how well we went about our business. We'd apparently solved the problem of the centre half and defensive midfield conundrum. We also got decent back up for Zabaleta. Pellegrini was given the personnel and managed them all in the wrong way.

All this rests with the manager who has the best squad in the premier league but now sits in forth and not a single player in any type of form whilst playing a system that no top team in Europe plays. What does he do in the week at training and why can't he even coach them to take a corner? If Malaga want him back I'm sure there's enough blues on here who would have a whip round to easy jet him back to the costa del sol.

Great post
Says a lot of what I and some blues I have spoken to (love the guy) but has fuked up too many good players time to go

 

[BooksReject]

Morning Blues.

Just wondering where this rock solid source Giles, backed up by Tolm, got his very definitive info?

It was bound to escalate very quickly given the current situation, and we know journalists get some, if not most of their City info from this site.

So, is he legitimate, or a very naughty rag sympathiser journalist stirring it before a certain weekend game?

Just wondering....

 

[bondsman]

i have no great desire to replace pelligrini, i think he has managed our team with his hands tied behind his back regarding the players he's been handed.ffp and begiristain between them have dealt pellers a poor hand. my only worry about keeping him is the risk, the risk that although restricting another manager would have done a far better job with this squad. its the old dammed if you do scenario. i dont think our ownwer will take that risk. if we could get ancelloti i'd do it asap.

I think he's been given more than enough resources. Every man and his dog were in for Mangala, he's failed to get the best out of him whilst ruining a good prospect in Nastasic. Negredo looked like a world beater until he decided to risk him in an already over cup tie, yes he eventually wanted to go back to Spain but being fit and performing week in week out might have persuaded him to stay.

Jovetic was seen as one of the best young strikers in Europe when he signed. Injuries have hampered him but Pellegrini has probably smashed his confidence to pieces with the way he handled the champions league squad announcement.

And any manager who gets a player like Bony in a January window should utilise him straight away. Not pick a lumbering around out of form striker like Dzeko.

Milner might have signed his contract if he had been played more. Instead he's had to sit on the bench and watch Yaya walk around on the pitch as the manager won't drop him.

And don't get me started on 442, soon as I saw the team sheet for Barca at home I knew we were out. You can bet your house he will start with two strikers on Sunday, it's so predictable even the tea lady at the swamp will have us figured out.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing but we were all wanking ourselves silly on here in the summer about how well we went about our business. We'd apparently solved the problem of the centre half and defensive midfield conundrum. We also got decent back up for Zabaleta. Pellegrini was given the personnel and managed them all in the wrong way.

All this rests with the manager who has the best squad in the premier league but now sits in forth and not a single player in any type of form whilst playing a system that no top team in Europe plays. What does he do in the week at training and why can't he even coach them to take a corner? If Malaga want him back I'm sure there's enough blues on here who would have a whip round to easy jet him back to the costa del sol.

Cannot fault any of that.

 

[bondsman]

Its really a bit sad on here to read some opinions....

It feels, like some are more interessed and happier than Pellegrini go out, than seeing the club WIN SOMETHING, or any other aim (supporting another club by hate our present, manager, or lack of succesful).

And... maybe, youre totally right on this... but, even if its that the case now, is to be fair to WAIT till the end of the season and now to shut up about anything else than to PLAY the games the team still have to play (fight)...

It is over only when its over... just saying...

It's been a strange season. A lot of people gave up on the title the first time we slipped behind Chelsea in the autumn and to some extent since then, even during our winning run in winter, many remained convinced that we wouldn't be strong enough to catch them.

It's been a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy because since the new year the performances have too many times reflected the defeatist attitude of the support all season. It's chicken and egg though because supporters will say they reflect the performances.

Ultimately it's been a disappointing campaign and if we're honest there has been a small but vocal minority who don't like Pellegrini full stop, and never have. This mixture was always going to lead to there being very little appetite to believe or focus on the run in if we fell behind Chelsea as we have.

Are you suggesting the fans caused our slump in performance? Drivel if so.

 

[BillyShears]

Its really a bit sad on here to read some opinions....

It feels, like some are more interessed and happier than Pellegrini go out, than seeing the club WIN SOMETHING, or any other aim (supporting another club by hate our present, manager, or lack of succesful).

And... maybe, youre totally right on this... but, even if its that the case now, is to be fair to WAIT till the end of the season and now to shut up about anything else than to PLAY the games the team still have to play (fight)...

It is over only when its over... just saying...

It's been a strange season. A lot of people gave up on the title the first time we slipped behind Chelsea in the autumn and to some extent since then, even during our winning run in winter, many remained convinced that we wouldn't be strong enough to catch them.

It's been a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy because since the new year the performances have too many times reflected the defeatist attitude of the support all season. It's chicken and egg though because supporters will say they reflect the performances.

Ultimately it's been a disappointing campaign and if we're honest there has been a small but vocal minority who don't like Pellegrini full stop, and never have. This mixture was always going to lead to there being very little appetite to believe or focus on the run in if we fell behind Chelsea as we have.

Are you suggesting the fans caused our slump in performance? Drivel if so.

I'm not saying the fans caused the slump at all. I am saying the fans haven't helped. Not at the ground not on social media and not on this forum.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

i have no great desire to replace pelligrini, i think he has managed our team with his hands tied behind his back regarding the players he's been handed.ffp and begiristain between them have dealt pellers a poor hand. my only worry about keeping him is the risk, the risk that although restricting another manager would have done a far better job with this squad. its the old dammed if you do scenario. i dont think our ownwer will take that risk. if we could get ancelloti i'd do it asap.

We've spent £~170m in the two years he's been here. Two £30+m players and one £25m player. Does our team reflect that? Just think, Sanchez was a £35m player and Fabregas was a €33m player. It's not like everyone has been going for Bale Suarez and Di Maria money.

 

[daztrueblue91]

i have no great desire to replace pelligrini, i think he has managed our team with his hands tied behind his back regarding the players he's been handed.ffp and begiristain between them have dealt pellers a poor hand. my only worry about keeping him is the risk, the risk that although restricting another manager would have done a far better job with this squad. its the old dammed if you do scenario. i dont think our ownwer will take that risk. if we could get ancelloti i'd do it asap.

I think he's been given more than enough resources. Every man and his dog were in for Mangala, he's failed to get the best out of him whilst ruining a good prospect in Nastasic. Negredo looked like a world beater until he decided to risk him in an already over cup tie, yes he eventually wanted to go back to Spain but being fit and performing week in week out might have persuaded him to stay.

Jovetic was seen as one of the best young strikers in Europe when he signed. Injuries have hampered him but Pellegrini has probably smashed his confidence to pieces with the way he handled the champions league squad announcement.

And any manager who gets a player like Bony in a January window should utilise him straight away. Not pick a lumbering around out of form striker like Dzeko.

Milner might have signed his contract if he had been played more. Instead he's had to sit on the bench and watch Yaya walk around on the pitch as the manager won't drop him.

And don't get me started on 442, soon as I saw the team sheet for Barca at home I knew we were out. You can bet your house he will start with two strikers on Sunday, it's so predictable even the tea lady at the swamp will have us figured out.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing but we were all wanking ourselves silly on here in the summer about how well we went about our business. We'd apparently solved the problem of the centre half and defensive midfield conundrum. We also got decent back up for Zabaleta. Pellegrini was given the personnel and managed them all in the wrong way.

All this rests with the manager who has the best squad in the premier league but now sits in forth and not a single player in any type of form whilst playing a system that no top team in Europe plays. What does he do in the week at training and why can't he even coach them to take a corner? If Malaga want him back I'm sure there's enough blues on here who would have a whip round to easy jet him back to the costa del sol.

Sorry but i have to disagree with a few of these points.

Firstly, the Jovetic signing kind of backs up the previous post of Pellegrini being let down by Txiki. Jovetic has been here for nearly 2 seasons now and we still dont know his best position. He is not an out and out striker and is wasted out wide. If anything he is best deployed in the number 10 role which also happens to be Silva and Yaya's best position. What's even more staggering is the fact that we don't play a formation with a number 10. I can understand the signing of Bony as he is an outlet up front but the Jovetic signing has been very poor and questionable.

Secondly, Pellegrini was spot on to start Dzeko over Bony when he did as Dzeko hit some good form. He was outstanding against Newcastle and scored against Liverpool. People rightly criticize Pellegrini when he rotates players who are in form. However, it still seems people can complain when he picks his inform striker.

Thirdly, Mangala is one of them players which certain fans and the pundits have already decided on. People have already made up that he is shit so jump to that conclusion no matter what. Personally, I think he has been our best CB this season and it is no coincidence that our best form has been when he has been in the side. I think he has been a great signing and next season when we add some attacking quality to the side he will be a mainstay. It is actually Vinny's place/future which I worry about. If Denayer keeps his form up and nails down a starting spot for Belgium then we could see him being ready for our first team and it will not be Mangala who he displaces based on this seasons form.

Also, the whole Milner situation is a myth, probably created by his agent to keep the fans on his side. The lad has played a lot of games since he has been here. In fact he has played a loads of games this season. The fact is that he has had a better offer elsewhere and wants to leave. What else can Pellegrini do in that regard? he has played him this season and publicly stated that he wants him to stay. People will soon see the real Milner when he joins Liverpool and is used exactly the same as he is here.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

It's been a strange season. A lot of people gave up on the title the first time we slipped behind Chelsea in the autumn and to some extent since then, even during our winning run in winter, many remained convinced that we wouldn't be strong enough to catch them.

It's been a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy because since the new year the performances have too many times reflected the defeatist attitude of the support all season. It's chicken and egg though because supporters will say they reflect the performances.

Ultimately it's been a disappointing campaign and if we're honest there has been a small but vocal minority who don't like Pellegrini full stop, and never have. This mixture was always going to lead to there being very little appetite to believe or focus on the run in if we fell behind Chelsea as we have.

Are you suggesting the fans caused our slump in performance? Drivel if so.

I'm not saying the fans caused the slump at all. I am saying the fans haven't helped. Not at the ground not on social media and not on this forum.

If it helps I've got my boots and shin pads il play centre mid Sunday. Might come back with better heat maps and touches in the opposing teams box stats than some of our boys at the moment.

 

[daztrueblue91]

i have no great desire to replace pelligrini, i think he has managed our team with his hands tied behind his back regarding the players he's been handed.ffp and begiristain between them have dealt pellers a poor hand. my only worry about keeping him is the risk, the risk that although restricting another manager would have done a far better job with this squad. its the old dammed if you do scenario. i dont think our ownwer will take that risk. if we could get ancelloti i'd do it asap.

We've spent £~170m in the two years he's been here. Two £30+m players and one £25m player. Does our team reflect that? Just think, Sanchez was a £35m player and Fabregas was a €33m player. It's not like everyone has been going for Bale Suarez and Di Maria money.

Spot on and we cannot blame Pellegrini for that.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

DEAD MAN WALKING.


I heard last night that his time here is over (no great revelation i know)


Dont shoot the messager, also I`ve been told Pep is in. I must say, I myself have doubted the rumours of Pep ever coming here from day one but, i was told this by someone who would`nt want to lose face if it turned out to be bollocks, and also has lots of contacts within the legal profession and the world of football.

 

[daztrueblue91]

DEAD MAN WALKING.


I heard last night that his time here is over (no great revelation i know)


Dont shoot the messager, also I`ve been told Pep is in. I must say, I myself have doubted the rumours of Pep ever coming here from day one but, i was told this by someone who would`nt want to lose face if it turned out to be bollocks, and also has lots of contacts within the legal profession and the world of football.

Any time frame on when Pep would be joining us?

 

[Blue Maverick]

DEAD MAN WALKING.


I heard last night that his time here is over (no great revelation i know)


Dont shoot the messager, also I`ve been told Pep is in. I must say, I myself have doubted the rumours of Pep ever coming here from day one but, i was told this by someone who would`nt want to lose face if it turned out to be bollocks, and also has lots of contacts within the legal profession and the world of football.

Any time frame on when Pep would be joining us?

I reckon if we lose on Sunday, Pelly will be gone Monday a bit like Moyes last year. Pep will win CL and be here by end of June.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

DEAD MAN WALKING.


I heard last night that his time here is over (no great revelation i know)


Dont shoot the messager, also I`ve been told Pep is in. I must say, I myself have doubted the rumours of Pep ever coming here from day one but, i was told this by someone who would`nt want to lose face if it turned out to be bollocks, and also has lots of contacts within the legal profession and the world of football.

Pep guardiola is definitely not coming to City in afraid.

 

[DelToro]

DEAD MAN WALKING.


I heard last night that his time here is over (no great revelation i know)


Dont shoot the messager, also I`ve been told Pep is in. I must say, I myself have doubted the rumours of Pep ever coming here from day one but, i was told this by someone who would`nt want to lose face if it turned out to be bollocks, and also has lots of contacts within the legal profession and the world of football.

Is this the same source that told Giles that Pellegrini was gone yesterday?

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Are you suggesting the fans caused our slump in performance? Drivel if so.

I'm not saying the fans caused the slump at all. I am saying the fans haven't helped. Not at the ground not on social media and not on this forum.

If it helps I've got my boots and shin pads il play centre mid Sunday. Might come back with better heat maps and touches in the opposing teams box stats than some of our boys at the moment.

Don't kid yourself ;-)