Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

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Damocles said:
Shaelumstash said:
It's also worth pointing out that City gave absolutely firm denials that Mancini and Hughes were sacked right up until they announced that they had sacked them.

Much of the resentment that we built up in the press was because we gave all these grandiose statements about Hughes and he was staying long term, and we were building something with him, right from the mouth of our top officials which the journos bought hook, line and sinker whilst we were in London talking to Mancini.
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Errrm, can you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?
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Yep. Seems you don't though.

City were denying that Mancini was getting the right right up until the FA Cup Final. In fact the stated reason that they sacked him earlier was because somebody leaked it internally. He was sacked a couple of days later purely because the press had gotten a hold of the story despite City denying it constantly.
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I'll ask again, do you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?

You suggested City gave firm denials right up until they sacked Mancini, that's simply not the case. There was rumours in the weeks before, but the big story in all of the national sports media the day of the cup final was that Mancini was being replaced by Pellegrini. I'm not sure if you went to that cup final, but the atmosphere the whole day was subdued, all fans were talking about was Mancini. The players looked lost. It clearly affected Mancini's preparation, he even asked the press officer to deny it in front of the national press after we'd been beaten, which she didn't.

The club and the press office hung him out to dry. The should have issued a firm denial on the morning of the game for the good of the club, the good of the team and it's supporters. Instead the silence was deafening, and without question had an influence on the management and the teams performance that day. It was almost as if the board didn't want us to win the cup as it would have made it harder to dismiss the manager at the end of the season....
 
Shaelumstash said:
Damocles said:
Shaelumstash said:
Errrm, can you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?
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Yep. Seems you don't though.

City were denying that Mancini was getting the right right up until the FA Cup Final. In fact the stated reason that they sacked him earlier was because somebody leaked it internally. He was sacked a couple of days later purely because the press had gotten a hold of the story despite City denying it constantly.
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I'll ask again, do you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?

You suggested City gave firm denials right up until they sacked Mancini, that's simply not the case. There was rumours in the weeks before, but the big story in all of the national sports media the day of the cup final was that Mancini was being replaced by Pellegrini. I'm not sure if you went to that cup final, but the atmosphere the whole day was subdued, all fans were talking about was Mancini. The players looked lost. It clearly affected Mancini's preparation, he even asked the press officer to deny it in front of the national press after we'd been beaten, which she didn't.

The club and the press office hung him out to dry. The should have issued a firm denial on the morning of the game for the good of the club, the good of the team and it's supporters. Instead the silence was deafening, and without question had an influence on the management and the teams performance that day. It was almost as if the board didn't want us to win the cup as it would have made it harder to dismiss the manager at the end of the season....
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I agree with all of that, it was my worst Wembley trip of them all tbh, We heard the rumblings about an hour into the journey and for all the talk of Mancini losing the dressing room etc, considering it was obvious the players knew he was gone, none of them looked particulaly happy throughout the game!

I actually said on the day that Txiki clearly didn't like how much the fans (on the whole) liked Mancini and he knew he could never stamp his authority on MCFC with him at the helm so quite clearly undermined him at a crucial point in the season.

If he had got the players that Pellegrini did last season he too would have won the league imo.

Anyway I digress, has he gone yet?
 
SiMCFC said:
Shaelumstash said:
Damocles said:
Yep. Seems you don't though.

City were denying that Mancini was getting the right right up until the FA Cup Final. In fact the stated reason that they sacked him earlier was because somebody leaked it internally. He was sacked a couple of days later purely because the press had gotten a hold of the story despite City denying it constantly.
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I'll ask again, do you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?

You suggested City gave firm denials right up until they sacked Mancini, that's simply not the case. There was rumours in the weeks before, but the big story in all of the national sports media the day of the cup final was that Mancini was being replaced by Pellegrini. I'm not sure if you went to that cup final, but the atmosphere the whole day was subdued, all fans were talking about was Mancini. The players looked lost. It clearly affected Mancini's preparation, he even asked the press officer to deny it in front of the national press after we'd been beaten, which she didn't.

The club and the press office hung him out to dry. The should have issued a firm denial on the morning of the game for the good of the club, the good of the team and it's supporters. Instead the silence was deafening, and without question had an influence on the management and the teams performance that day. It was almost as if the board didn't want us to win the cup as it would have made it harder to dismiss the manager at the end of the season....
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I agree with all of that, it was my worst Wembley trip of them all tbh, We heard the rumblings about an hour into the journey and for all the talk of Mancini losing the dressing room etc, considering it was obvious the players knew he was gone, none of them looked particulaly happy throughout the game!

I actually said on the day that Txiki clearly didn't like how much the fans (on the whole) liked Mancini and he knew he could never stamp his authority on MCFC with him at the helm so quite clearly undermined him at a crucial point in the season.

If he had got the players that Pellegrini did last season he too would have won the league imo.

Anyway I digress, has he gone yet?
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Great post, and I agree with everything you said too. That FA Cup final was the worst day as a City fan since the takeover. It was the first backwards step. From 2008 until that day in 2013, pretty much everything that had happened at the club had been positive, it had moved us forwards.

That day was a turning point where the executives at the club started to exercise their control over the club and become more important than the manager, and also a day when the executives began the process of creating a distance between the club and the fans. Both of those things have escalated in the last two years, and both of those things have had a negative impact on the club.

How many fans are more optimistic about the future of the club today as there were in 2012? I don't think there will be many.
 
Blue Haze said:
I hope it is true. Not sure about Kidd as caretaker though
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2 hours ago i saw Kidd walking his dog down my street, did not look like he was about to be named as manager. Wish I had seen this thread I would have gone out and asked him what is going on and not let him go until he told me or convinced me that all was ok
 
Rammy Blue said:
mancity dan said:
From what I have heard, MP is still with us but only until summer.

He will be leaving with our best wishes after what he achieved last season.
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See this is the kind of logic I never understand.

If he's going then for fuck's sake, do it now.

It achieves the sum total of fuck all to leave him in position.

Crazy if true mate.
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Yes :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
If this is true MP is off the smart thing is go now and Paddy until the end of season
 
Shaelumstash said:
Damocles said:
Shaelumstash said:
Errrm, can you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?
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Yep. Seems you don't though.

City were denying that Mancini was getting the right right up until the FA Cup Final. In fact the stated reason that they sacked him earlier was because somebody leaked it internally. He was sacked a couple of days later purely because the press had gotten a hold of the story despite City denying it constantly.
Click to expand...

I'll ask again, do you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?

You suggested City gave firm denials right up until they sacked Mancini, that's simply not the case. There was rumours in the weeks before, but the big story in all of the national sports media the day of the cup final was that Mancini was being replaced by Pellegrini. I'm not sure if you went to that cup final, but the atmosphere the whole day was subdued, all fans were talking about was Mancini. The players looked lost. It clearly affected Mancini's preparation, he even asked the press officer to deny it in front of the national press after we'd been beaten, which she didn't.

The club and the press office hung him out to dry. The should have issued a firm denial on the morning of the game for the good of the club, the good of the team and it's supporters. Instead the silence was deafening, and without question had an influence on the management and the teams performance that day. It was almost as if the board didn't want us to win the cup as it would have made it harder to dismiss the manager at the end of the season....
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That's how I felt and I am sure it was a silver lining for Txiki. It was a weird day. The players however, had they wanted Mancini to stay would have put in a lot more effort than they did.
 
cleavers said:
Rammy Blue said:
What did I miss whilst forum was offline?
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Nothing, Dam was tinkering behind the scenes I think.
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Yep, there's a thread about it in The Cellar but we're doing a lot of work behind the scenes over the next week or so, so these little outages are going to happen for a few seconds to a minute here or there.

Might have to re-login if you're really unlucky. Don't forget to tick the box keeping you logged in when you do.
 
He was gone either way. Anyway, physical performance is as much an emotional thing as a mechanical thing. If something isn't right at the top level, it will inevitably affect performances on the pitch. There was nothing right at the top level that day. Much like we are seeing now I imagine. In retrospect, the whole season must have been a disaster from the point of view of the players. It's amazing we got 2nd and went to Wembley at all, if you ask me.


robbieh said:
Shaelumstash said:
Damocles said:
Yep. Seems you don't though.

City were denying that Mancini was getting the right right up until the FA Cup Final. In fact the stated reason that they sacked him earlier was because somebody leaked it internally. He was sacked a couple of days later purely because the press had gotten a hold of the story despite City denying it constantly.
Click to expand...

I'll ask again, do you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?

You suggested City gave firm denials right up until they sacked Mancini, that's simply not the case. There was rumours in the weeks before, but the big story in all of the national sports media the day of the cup final was that Mancini was being replaced by Pellegrini. I'm not sure if you went to that cup final, but the atmosphere the whole day was subdued, all fans were talking about was Mancini. The players looked lost. It clearly affected Mancini's preparation, he even asked the press officer to deny it in front of the national press after we'd been beaten, which she didn't.

The club and the press office hung him out to dry. The should have issued a firm denial on the morning of the game for the good of the club, the good of the team and it's supporters. Instead the silence was deafening, and without question had an influence on the management and the teams performance that day. It was almost as if the board didn't want us to win the cup as it would have made it harder to dismiss the manager at the end of the season....
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That's how I felt and I am sure it was a silver lining for Txiki. It was a weird day. The players however, had they wanted Mancini to stay would have put in a lot more effort than they did.
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halfcenturyup said:
He was gone either way. Anyway, physical performance is as much an emotional thing as a mechanical thing. If something isn't right at the top level, it will inevitably affect performances on the pitch. There was nothing right at the top level that day. Much like we are seeing now I imagine. In retrospect, the whole season must have been a disaster from the point of view of the players. It's amazing we got 2nd and went to Wembley at all, if you ask me.


robbieh said:
Shaelumstash said:
I'll ask again, do you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?

You suggested City gave firm denials right up until they sacked Mancini, that's simply not the case. There was rumours in the weeks before, but the big story in all of the national sports media the day of the cup final was that Mancini was being replaced by Pellegrini. I'm not sure if you went to that cup final, but the atmosphere the whole day was subdued, all fans were talking about was Mancini. The players looked lost. It clearly affected Mancini's preparation, he even asked the press officer to deny it in front of the national press after we'd been beaten, which she didn't.

The club and the press office hung him out to dry. The should have issued a firm denial on the morning of the game for the good of the club, the good of the team and it's supporters. Instead the silence was deafening, and without question had an influence on the management and the teams performance that day. It was almost as if the board didn't want us to win the cup as it would have made it harder to dismiss the manager at the end of the season....
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That's how I felt and I am sure it was a silver lining for Txiki. It was a weird day. The players however, had they wanted Mancini to stay would have put in a lot more effort than they did.
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You mean like they're doing now? They look lost again if you ask me, it's 2013 all over again, massive hangover, as long as we have the blue and white kit next season, we'll be OK, the sky blue and navy/black kit is cursed!
 
Its really a bit sad on here to read some opinions....

It feels, like some are more interessed and happier than Pellegrini go out, than seeing the club WIN SOMETHING, or any other aim (supporting another club by hate our present, manager, or lack of succesful).

And... maybe, youre totally right on this... but, even if its that the case now, is to be fair to WAIT till the end of the season and now to shut up about anything else than to PLAY the games the team still have to play (fight)...

It is over only when its over... just saying...
 
Universidad de Chile said:
Its really a bit sad on here to read some opinions....

It feels, like some are more interessed and happier than Pellegrini go out, than seeing the club WIN SOMETHING, or any other aim (supporting another club by hate our present, manager, or lack of succesful).

And... maybe, youre totally right on this... but, even if its that the case now, is to be fair to WAIT till the end of the season and now to shut up about anything else than to PLAY the games the team still have to play (fight)...

It is over only when its over... just saying...
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It's been a strange season. A lot of people gave up on the title the first time we slipped behind Chelsea in the autumn and to some extent since then, even during our winning run in winter, many remained convinced that we wouldn't be strong enough to catch them.

It's been a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy because since the new year the performances have too many times reflected the defeatist attitude of the support all season. It's chicken and egg though because supporters will say they reflect the performances.

Ultimately it's been a disappointing campaign and if we're honest there has been a small but vocal minority who don't like Pellegrini full stop, and never have. This mixture was always going to lead to there being very little appetite to believe or focus on the run in if we fell behind Chelsea as we have.
 
Shaelumstash said:
Damocles said:
Shaelumstash said:
Errrm, can you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?
Click to expand...

Yep. Seems you don't though.

City were denying that Mancini was getting the right right up until the FA Cup Final. In fact the stated reason that they sacked him earlier was because somebody leaked it internally. He was sacked a couple of days later purely because the press had gotten a hold of the story despite City denying it constantly.
Click to expand...

I'll ask again, do you remember the FA Cup final in 2013?

You suggested City gave firm denials right up until they sacked Mancini, that's simply not the case. There was rumours in the weeks before, but the big story in all of the national sports media the day of the cup final was that Mancini was being replaced by Pellegrini. I'm not sure if you went to that cup final, but the atmosphere the whole day was subdued, all fans were talking about was Mancini. The players looked lost. It clearly affected Mancini's preparation, he even asked the press officer to deny it in front of the national press after we'd been beaten, which she didn't.

The club and the press office hung him out to dry. The should have issued a firm denial on the morning of the game for the good of the club, the good of the team and it's supporters. Instead the silence was deafening, and without question had an influence on the management and the teams performance that day. It was almost as if the board didn't want us to win the cup as it would have made it harder to dismiss the manager at the end of the season....
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Thats it exactly the lack of WINNER MENTALITY of City Neville was mention on the DM... If a big club want to win something, you and your board have to stay behind them (the squad), mostly in a final game or the final path of a competition, like the Premier now... give all to reach your goals...

Then you will have all the time in the world to sake all the managers and throw away (sell) the players you want from the team...

This club has finally TO LEARN from OF ALL THOSE MISTAKES from the past...

just saying... :-)
 
Universidad de Chile said:
Its really a bit sad on here to read some opinions....

It feels, like some are more interessed and happier than Pellegrini go out, than seeing the club WIN SOMETHING, or any other aim (supporting another club by hate our present, manager, or lack of succesful).

And... maybe, youre totally right on this... but, even if its that the case now, is to be fair to WAIT till the end of the season and now to shut up about anything else than to PLAY the games the team still have to play (fight)...

It is over only when its over... just saying...
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Let's just say that it is a sad state of affairs at the moment. City's form this year is dreadful, which, combined with a poor start to the season, raises valid questions about how the team has been managed.

I just hope that the players find it in themselves to go out and really fight for the manager (and the club...) in the final few games.
 
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