Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

[r.soleofsalford]

He never does it consistently though, for every Sevilla performance there's a Liverpool , Norwich, Newcastle, Tottenham performance just round the corner, he should be playing a 3 in midfield as his stock formation and rotate players round it, expecting Yaya and Fernando in a two to press and control a midfield against a Liverpool front six is fucking footballing suicide, not just v Liverpool but ANY team.

He cant be trusted with the players he's got at his disposal, he's nowhere near good enough I'm afraid.

absolutely,

 

[kunaguero10]

As bad as people on this thread say Pellegrini is. Who of them would put money on us not winning a trophy this season under his management?

I honestly think any trophy would be won in spite of him, not because of him. We do have one of the best squads in world football after all.

 

[BlueAnorak]

As bad as people on this thread say Pellegrini is. Who of them would put money on us not winning a trophy this season under his management?

I never put money on City, but if I did the odds of wining stuff lengthen with Peller's regular brain farts.
We should be top of the league with the team we have compared to the teams others have. The fact we are not is a damming indictment of the manager's stubbornness.

 

[capiloton]

if we can't sign Pep next sign season, we are so screwed. wondering why we are not sign Klopp instead.

 

[TFC]

As many have said the way City are set up off the field and with some of the best talent on it, any half decent coach should be able to win a league every other year. That is indeed what has happened. Neither Mancini nor Pellegrini are up there with the great managers. Mancini did a good job of getting the club to believe. His aggressive personality got under the skin of his managerial rivals. He changed the psyche of the club. No mean feat in my view. He also took about five minutes to organize the defence which had been so porous under Hughes. But he had his limitations in terms of the creative side of the game and like Mourinho his abrasive style has a wear and tear factor on a club's staff.

Pellegrini came in and changed the bad atmosphere releasing the players from a tactical straitjacket. However it is debatable whether we have improved since then despite further spending. His seeming lack of interest in setting up the team to face what is in front of us is a deep flaw.

This team will not be remembered as a great premier league team. Exciting often, brilliant at times, but strangely passive on occasions. We have had the players. Kun, Yaya, Silva and Vincent are up there with Vieira, Henry, Vidic, Zola, Gerrard and Lampard. And the fact that they have been ably assisted by the likes of Hart, Zabaleta, Dzeko, Milner, Clichy, Fernandinho and Tevez suggests to me that we in danger of underperforming.

We have won two leagues on the last day of the season. We need to be winning a few like United, Chelsea and Arsenal have done in the past. Easily. Then this group of players will rightfully take their place alongside the Arsenal Invincibles. For me that wouldn't have happened had Mancini stayed and it's not going to happen with Pellegrini at the helm.

Think this is a great post Robbie, gets a lot of my thoughts down in black and white (just in a much more eloquent fashion!)

I mentioned on here Saturday while I was still fuming that I think the one thing we have lacked since the takeover is a top manager. It doesnt have to be one of the 'big names', I just mean that if we could find a coach that could make this squad of players consistently perform at even 80% of their capabilities, we could dominate domestic football and make a huge impact in the CL.

What I saw Saturday was a manager put his players in a position to fail, and the players not be willing to put the extra graft in to try and compensate for that (some may say why the fuck should they....but thats a whole different conversation about the pride they should have to pull on that blue shirt). Lots of blame to go round unfortunately, but most of it falls at the managers door.

 

[Neville Kneville]

True, I think the media often take our success for granted because we've had some great players and tend to forget that we have won 2 Premier League titles, 1 FA Cup and 1 League Cup without ever recruiting an elite manager. I think Mancio and Pelle are both good managers but you can't compare that with what Chelsea have had with the likes of Jose Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti as their manager. If we manage to capture Guardiola, combined with the world class players we have (Kompany, De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero etc.) then we could move onto another level.

And the worst thing about that imo is that I think Pellegrini is capable of doing anything Pep could do & is a likeable character to boot, but he just won't do it regularly. Nor will he sign players with a plan in mind. He'll sign players so he can fuck about, hoping that one day, they will all see the light & be on exactly the wavelength he is on, then the world will see the beauty of his system. Meanwhile back on planet earth..

 

[crystal_mais]

It was a performance that has changed a few minds and opinions on the manager, mine included and whilst I'm still not in the i want him gone camp, he needs to get his shit sorted and together and fast.

I want that Sevilla performance every week. Pace, pressing, intensity, it really did have it all and the days of possession for possession sakes or our best over 50's walking football impersonation have to go as it does nothing for the vast majority of us and given the way the opposition are now coming at us every week, will do nothing for results either.

Pellegrini has it in him, he showed us that but its down to him to do it and it starts the next game and it needs to carry on.

The very best teams work just as hard off the ball as they do on it. Nothing happens by luck, its down to sheer hard work coupled with the obvious talent and skill but right now, we just don seem to want to work hard enough.

The problem we have is - Aguero, KDB, Yaya, Sterling & Silva just do not press - bar KDB & Sterling - it has been a problem for us all the time. We get done over when we are playing teams that press high and hard -

 

[the originalkippaxman]

As far as I am concerned Pellegrini was finished as a Manager after 2o minutes of the game on Saturday.

He picked a 4-2-4 formation with a midfielder in Yaya who we all know is not capable of and has not been capable of playing in a midfield 2 for 12 months then throw in an ageing Centre Half who has played 1 game against a team whose only threat was pace through the midfield.

Pellegrini wasn't intelligent enough at 25mins when it was 2-0 down to make the change that we were screaming out for. He couldn't drag Yaya off as he was (and I never understand why) our Captain but should have dragged Navas off and bolstered the midfield up. Unacceptable by any manager to not see this and showed a total lack of bollocks in holding his hand up and saying "hey I fucked up".

If he had contained the onslaught we were suffering we may have been able to get ourselves back into the game. That we will never know because although Aguero scored a beauty the game was long over at half time.

Simply not good enough and we are at risk of suffering more results like this.

 

[waspish]

With players coming back late from international duty Pellegrini decided on that team if he wasn't so stubborn he could of set them up totally different a defensive mindset maybe which would of negated some of Liverpool's play but no it's gung-ho.

I just think if Pellegrini had faith in some of the youngsters who are fresh and ready to play with a work rate we require for games it could of Benefited us, he could of easily said in his press conference that with injuries and players coming back late from international duty I'll be playing 2 or 3 youngsters against Liverpool that then would take the pressure of the team and fans wouldn't be expecting to turn up and win, it would give fans some excitement at seeing the young lads.

 

[Dribble]

I go to home and away games on a supporters coach from Monton. Its amazing the groans of disapproval when the team is read out on the coach and how often those groans of disapproval are followed by the team struggling like fuck. How often has a spark of genius from one of our brilliant players saved manuel and his sorry arse team selections and tactics. The game against Liverpool was a humiliation. a humiliation rarely if ever dealt out to a squad that finish as champions.

I hear what you're saying and its all the more galling because many times on here I've seen intelligent, knowledgable and experienced fans like yourself rounded upon and called footballing know nowts and Pellegrini outers for just pointing out what's clearly in front of them.

At the end of our double season we resorted to a 3 man midfield to get us over the line. Last season injuries enforced a 3 man midfield on us leading to an extended unbeaten period. When it looked like we were in danger of missing out on CL qualification again we turned to a 3 man midfield and secured 2nd place. This season we start with a 3 man midfield and win 5 in the bounce, but after just one half of trying to break down a stubborn Watford, we turn back to 442, Sterling scores 2 minutes after the restart and my fears had returned....... Namely that in Manuel's mind 442 was now back on the menu as a starting option.

In match flexibility is one thing, but now it seems the 442 with Yaya and Fernando as the 2 is now a viable option again after it failed us so miserably last season.