Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

[blueinsa]

If we have a style as you say what does it matter who we have in charge.

MP has had 2 and a half seasons to perfect that style and its taking us backwards and its not rocket science to see why.

We are worse off than last season despite the new blood that was designed to improve our squad and we have had three implosions to boot.

I think there are more to come in fact I am sure there are more to come.

Maybe better managers can implement it faster and with more precision than others but I am curious as to why we don't see that when we are outworked , pressed and our players give up the ghost we usually lose and of late lose badly and do something about it unless the players are going through the motions until MP is replaced and start the same old same old again.

The mind set of the players has to change and that has little to do with a certain style and system which I couldn't define anyway and MP when asked says its a high possession attacking game of football designed to score goals.

We are in December mate. Nothing is won and it certainly hasn't been lost given our standing in all comps right now.

We have an horrendous injury list right now and when they come back and they will, im confident this team and this manager will send us on a run like they have before and we will get success this season.

There is absolutely no need to press any panic buttons right now and no one at the club will be doing so.

 

[i8rags]

Im as angry and pissed off as anyone about the crap we watched yesterday but demanding a sacking every other week which isn't going to happen this season is pointless.

If he was sacked tomorrow and pep walked in Tuesday, I think most would rejoice, the question is for me in an ideal world of course he needs to go, but in reality he ain't going anywhere. Still think with the squad we have, the league and a cup are to be expected and I hope he achieves this and leaves with his head held high, but leave he must. Sounds strange that he should leave if in fact he does win trophies, but it's not good under his management and it's about time we showed real progression and in reality this league should be walked by us this year.

 

[daztrueblue91]

When you look at some of the successful managers in the PL era, the likes of Mancini, Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho, you see managers who have a connection with the fans. These are managers who the fans idolise due to their persona, commitment to the club as well as their success.

They are managers who would back their clubs to the hilt and in essence made the fans love them. I can see Klopp going the same way at Liverpool.

I've never got that impression from Pellegrini. Now I don't solely blame him, I think the changes at boardroom level want a quiet person who makes minimal fuss publically and gets on with the job. That I acknowledge. However, I just don't feel any connection towards Pellegrini.

I'd put him in the same bracket as Nasri. A great player on his day but a person who I won't be the slightest bit arsed when he leaves. Compare that with a Zab or Hart who many of us fans will be gutted when they go.

It's not just managers who come under the same criticism, we also judge the likes of Kun, Vinny, Silva and Hart a lot more leniently than the likes of Dzeko, Nasri and Fernando.

Perhaps if we understood Pellegrini and bit more he would be less harshly judged.

 

[blueinsa]

If we end up potless so what? If your happy with that then fair enough, I also can handle that but his football is fucking boring to watch , seen as he told us we would see a style of football we had never seen before.

We average almost 3 goals a game under Pellegrini and this system.

I dont class that as boring, sorry.

Pearce was boring!

 

[cookster]

How can it be my slant when he clearly says we will play attacking football, based on possession with a high defensive line and that we will lose games because of it but wont change?

Thats from the horses mouth mate, not mine and certainly not my slant and if you want to know i don't completely agree with it if im being honest but i accept my opinion isn't going to change his or the clubs mind and i have faith they will get it right far more than they will wrong in the coming years.

Pretty much all the top clubs in Europe play high defensive lines, that's why Madrid, Barca, Dortmund and Bayern have traded incredibly one-sided results in Champion League Qtr/Semi finals over the last few years. When it goes wrong it can be devastating.

However it doesn't tend to happen against the likes of Villa and Stoke.

 

[blueinsa]

If he was sacked tomorrow and pep walked in Tuesday, I think most would rejoice, the question is for me in an ideal world of course he needs to go, but in reality he ain't going anywhere. Still think with the squad we have, the league and a cup are to be expected and I hope he achieves this and leaves with his head held high, but leave he must. Sounds strange that he should leave if in fact he does win trophies, but it's not good under his management and it's about time we showed real progression and in reality this league should be walked by us this year.

He could walk in the summer after 3 years with possibly 2 double winning seasons under his belt he really could and that is remarkable.

lets say worse case he doesn't win anything? Thoroughly disappointing yes but he walks and we go on to hopefully an upgrade in Pep.

We are waiting on Pep and had he come last summer, Manuel would have gone but he has the trust of the board and he is keeping a seat warm but im convinced he will go having won us more silverware.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

We average almost 3 goals a game under Pellegrini and this system.

I dont class that as boring, sorry.

Pearce was boring!

The Pearce era was the only boring period in my 39 years as a City fan. How can anyone be bored in any way whatsoever following this club?

 

[blueinsa]

Pretty much all the top clubs in Europe play high defensive lines, that's why Madrid, Barca, Dortmund and Bayern have traded incredibly one-sided results in Champion League Qtr/Semi finals over the last few years. When it goes wrong it can be devastating.

However it doesn't tend to happen against the likes of Villa and Stoke.

2 premier league sides.

The teams you have mentioned will also lose games to teams in their division, sides that they think they should comfortably beat yet now and then, dont.

Its football mate.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Do i think Pep is better than Pellegrini? Yes of course i do and i think we will land him come the summer but in the meantime, we will stick with Pellegrini because he was brought in to implement a certain style and system, as Ferran says but Pep will no doubt carry it forward.

No one is arguing otherwise but if you think Pep will come in and do what he wants regardless, its not going to happen and we will lose games under him due to the style the club wants.

Are we going to want him sacked every time as well?

I'm not sure if reductio ad absurdum is quite the right term for the nature of your argument, but it feels like it should be. The thing is, the huge majority of us (myself included) haven't wanted Pellegrini sacked every time we've lost, because we realise you can't win every game and we realise that managers will have off days in the same way that players do. However, this now goes way beyond random one off 'bad days at the office'. It's been a long gradual decline, during which more and more teams have adapted to the way we play, and yet Pellegrini has continued with his own game plan regardless, seemingly oblivious to the problems at hand. He has been making the same mistakes with team selections, formations, game plans that don't suit the personnel at his disposal, failure to adapt during the course of matches, and so on and so on for months now, without giving the faintest indication that he has any idea how to adjust. Some of the defending yesterday, from front to back, was just downright embarrassing. The worst I've seen since Liverpool, which was was the worst I've seen Monchengladbach, which was the worst I've seen since Spurs, and so on and so on. He is getting the worst out of the players at his disposal now instead of the best, and whilst the players must shoulder some of the responsibility, the flawed team selections and set ups are his fault and his alone. Were it not for the whole farcical Pep situation, he would surely have been sacked already IMO.

 

[i8rags]

He could walk in the summer after 3 years with possibly 2 double winning seasons under his belt he really could and that is remarkable.

lets say worse case he doesn't win anything? Thoroughly disappointing yes but he walks and we go on to hopefully an upgrade in Pep.

We are waiting on Pep and had he come last summer, Manuel would have gone but he has the trust of the board and he is keeping a seat warm but im convinced he will go having won us more silverware.

Totally with you mate, I think you'll see pellers retire from football with a very healthy cv and my thanks, but progress we must.