Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

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When you look at some of the successful managers in the PL era, the likes of Mancini, Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho, you see managers who have a connection with the fans. These are managers who the fans idolise due to their persona, commitment to the club as well as their success.

They are managers who would back their clubs to the hilt and in essence made the fans love them. I can see Klopp going the same way at Liverpool.

I've never got that impression from Pellegrini. Now I don't solely blame him, I think the changes at boardroom level want a quiet person who makes minimal fuss publically and gets on with the job. That I acknowledge. However, I just don't feel any connection towards Pellegrini.

I'd put him in the same bracket as Nasri. A great player on his day but a person who I won't be the slightest bit arsed when he leaves. Compare that with a Zab or Hart who many of us fans will be gutted when they go.

It's not just managers who come under the same criticism, we also judge the likes of Kun, Vinny, Silva and Hart a lot more leniently than the likes of Dzeko, Nasri and Fernando.

Perhaps if we understood Pellegrini and bit more he would be less harshly judged.

Whilst I know rationally this should not matter if someone is delivering, and that it is just a job to them. I have to say I agree totally with your post. I think the connection between the fans and the manager is so important, especially as he the only regular link between the fans and the club.
 
I'm not sure if reductio ad absurdum is quite the right term for the nature of your argument, but it feels like it should be. The thing is, the huge majority of us (myself included) haven't wanted Pellegrini sacked every time we've lost, because we realise you can't win every game and we realise that managers will have off days in the same way that players do. However, this now goes way beyond random one off 'bad days at the office'. It's been a long gradual decline, during which more and more teams have adapted to the way we play, and yet Pellegrini has continued with his own game plan regardless, seemingly oblivious to the problems at hand. He has been making the same mistakes with team selections, formations, game plans that don't suit the personnel at his disposal, failure to adapt during the course of matches, and so on and so on for months now, without giving the faintest indication that he has any idea how to adjust. Some of the defending yesterday, from front to back, was just downright embarrassing. The worst I've seen since Liverpool, which was was the worst I've seen Monchengladbach, which was the worst I've seen since Spurs, and so on and so on. He is getting the worst out of the players at his disposal now instead of the best, and whilst the players must shoulder some of the responsibility, the flawed team selections and set ups are his fault and his alone. Were it not for the whole farcical Pep situation, he would surely have been sacked already IMO.

We will get a few more of these beltings against sides like Stoke in the premiership this year for sure and your right part of it is the players mentality on the day and part of it MP.

Enough to finish below fourth?

Who knows time will tell.

What we do know is we are four points worse off than last year when last 6 games aside we were in our best run of the season.

Not scoring a goal in our past three away games in the premiership and only one in four on the back of a hiding is of grave concern to me and should be to the owners as well.

Sometimes they overlap and sometimes they are mutually exclusive but the upshot is we don't have enough players who are smart enough to know what to do when its clear that things are going sadly awry ala Stoke , Liverpool etc to stop the bleeding first or even stop it from starting and a manager who either refuses or is incapable of doing anything constructive about it.

Despite what some may think I have little doubt that the owners will act unless MP can get us playing like we were at the start of the season again and quickly.
 
Absolutely shambolic. Embarrassing. No effort, no motivation, no idea. Where was the fight and the desire???? This manager is useless. Besides not having a clue about tactics and the ability to change in a game, he clearly doesn't know how to motivate his players to earn their ridiculous wages. And then he blames it on fatigue! Give me a break! They are athletes (bar, Fernando, who my mum could outrun!) I watched Salford Shitty play the other night, those guys have done a full day's work before they turn up to play on a rain sodden pitch and they didn't half put in a shift. Our players believe too much in their own press that they are the best in the country. They are clearly not. And the sooner they wake up to that fact the better. Pellers and that Dracula bloke who sits next to him on the bench (what does he do????) should be gone and that hanger-on Kidd, too.

Absolutely spot-on they didn't like Mancini because he made them work on the training ground going over and over routine it's clear that Pelligrini is not working them especially the defence
 
Whilst I know rationally this should not matter if someone is delivering, and that it is just a job to them. I have to say I agree totally with your post. I think the connection between the fans and the manager is so important, especially as he the only regular link between the fans and the club.

I agree that it is wrong in a way.

After all we should only judge Pellegrini on results, it's not a personality contest.

That said, football is an emotional sport. Us fans invest a lot of time, effort and money in supporting City. We have an attachment to the club and that spreads to the players and manager.

It's only natural that we are going to become more attached to a player/manager who fully embraces the club than someone who does not.

To sum it up, I believe that Mancini embraced the club and its culture where as Pellegrini has embraced the CFG culture. That is the reason why I and I suspect many other fans have found it difficult to warm to Pellers.

Then again it perfectly highlights why fans should never be involved with the boardroom decision making within a club.
 
No.

We as a club and fans are now desperate for Pep, and the only way we'll get him is at the end of season. We wouldn't find a good enough manager who would happily take over until then.

We can't sack him now, but he must go at the end of the season.
 
I'm not sure if reductio ad absurdum is quite the right term for the nature of your argument, but it feels like it should be. The thing is, the huge majority of us (myself included) haven't wanted Pellegrini sacked every time we've lost, because we realise you can't win every game and we realise that managers will have off days in the same way that players do. However, this now goes way beyond random one off 'bad days at the office'. It's been a long gradual decline, during which more and more teams have adapted to the way we play, and yet Pellegrini has continued with his own game plan regardless, seemingly oblivious to the problems at hand. He has been making the same mistakes with team selections, formations, game plans that don't suit the personnel at his disposal, failure to adapt during the course of matches, and so on and so on for months now, without giving the faintest indication that he has any idea how to adjust. Some of the defending yesterday, from front to back, was just downright embarrassing. The worst I've seen since Liverpool, which was was the worst I've seen Monchengladbach, which was the worst I've seen since Spurs, and so on and so on. He is getting the worst out of the players at his disposal now instead of the best, and whilst the players must shoulder some of the responsibility, the flawed team selections and set ups are his fault and his alone. Were it not for the whole farcical Pep situation, he would surely have been sacked already IMO.

I had to look that up lol ;-).

Im with most fans after yesterday and certain other performances, completely and utterly pissed off. I differ in that i like to think i can see a bigger picture and not just, "look, we got battered at Stoke, the mans a ****, a clown who just sits there looking like a corpse or Dracula". Can he do better? Of course he can and should but his career with us to date shows he has the ability to do so much better and i have faith he will again. I also think he is acting very much on orders from on high with regards how this side plays and I've quoted our CEO earlier who states we will play a certain way, regardless of what some may think and wont change it, despite losing some games because of it and will learn more from the losses and mistakes than we ever will from the wins and successes. Its the reason Pellegrini is here. They trusted him to implement their philosophy without question and its the reason why Pep will rock up, they trust him also.

Do i agree with it? No, i don't, not always but i respect it and i can see it will win us more than we lose going forward and im good with that because there is no nirvana or perfection in football and never will be but a model based on arguably the best club side in the world, Barca will do for me with a business model behind the scenes that will financially allow us to not only match it but surpass is mouthwatering.

I hate getting beat and i also think we should be doing better but it is what it is right now and no doubt a transition is happening with the manager being changed in the summer and certain players also knowing its coming to an end with us. That coupled with an horrendous injury list has seen us fall short of what we expect and it fucks us all off buts its a reality that no mount of moaning on here will change and we have to trust the club realises all is not well and has it in hand come the summer.
 
I would like him gone now, but accept that whilst we are still, at least in theory, in with a chance of winning four competitions, he will be retained.

My major concern is dropping out of the top 4 - that would be a disaster for us, and I'm sure the powers that be would concur. Given Pellegrini's apparent antipathy towards league games, I'm sure there will be a sense of uneasiness within the corridors of the Etihad - at what point though will that uneasiness become an outright concern?

After Tuesday, we don't have to worry about CL or the cups until January. If we are out of the top 4 by end of December, would that be the point that triggers action from Khaldoon et al, or do we let it ride? My view is that Pep or no Pep, we should start sounding out alternative candidates now in order to save THIS season, just in case the above scenario unfolds in the next few weeks.
 
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