Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

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I would love to sack Pellegrini if we had a replacement, but I don't see how we can have a replacement with all the stuff that is going on, unless Bayern are sacking Pep.

I think Pellegrini did a good job when he first came to City & is capable of a much higher level of tactical & organisational management than we are seeing. But I think there is strong evidence that he will only do that when backed into a corner. It wouldn't surprise me at all, if we suddenly won a bunch of games now playing a 4-6 formation wih no strikers & Silva as a 'false' 9 or something, as he's proved he can do shit like that. But he's also proved he struggles to motivate players to run the extra yard for him, & that he will try to revert to variations of his favourite system, against any opposition, at any time, & often refuses to take the oppo or the conditions, or the fitness of his players, into consideration. Well either that or he's a fucking stupid old bastard & I'm giving him too much credit.

He is apparently using fitness issues as an excuse. Well I was pointing out weeks ago, how he was running DeBruyne into the ground (many thought that was perfectly ok) & DeBruyne has never been quite as sharp since. I have also mentioned 1000 times, how imo a proper manager would have started regularly using kids later in games as subs etc & that thuis would have started over a year ago. The typical response to this from some is 'we pick the strongest side for every game' & 'they have to prove they are good enough, not expect favours'.

Well it isn't a fucking 'favour' it's about using our own kids to take the strain off the 'first team' players giving them more time to recuperate & not having them running at times when they are likely to pick up injuries & strains. It doesn't fucking matter whether or not George Evans is or isn't going to make it as a long term City player, if he can stop Fernandinho straining a calf muscle by replacing him for 30 mins when we're 3-0 up. This is the key to Ferguson's use of young players, not that they all bcome stars like Giggs, they help THE SQUAD get through tough times. That old fucker has totally failed to make best use of the untold riches at his fingertips & has no plan whatsoever in that regard, even for the short term.

And I'll give you the example which proves this: on the bench v Stoke, fucking Garcia. What the fuck was he EVER going to do v Stoke, away, in a fucking hurricane ? Kean Bryan, who tackles everything which moves, runs his balls off for City & even keeps possession better than Garcia, stronger, much more likely to survive ? Never even played 5 mins under Pellegrini. Absolutely scandallous waste of a potential asset which could help the squad & stupid, short sighted management. Denayer could also have filled in centre mid & right back as well as cb, & probably done centre mid better than Fernando. a better 1v1 defender than ANYONE in the first team. Maybe George Evans could have filled a space whilst others rested too. All would need minutes on the pitch to get upto pace first though. None have had any. Utter shit management. So when he moans about injuries, he is full of shit imo. He fucked up Negredo in a dead game, for no reason, almost cost us the season, & that has always made me wonder about him.
 
You think so? While I'm not privy to what went on during the Mancini saga I don't think the problem was what Mancini made them do rather it was how he made them feel. Sure he was the boss and they are professionals but they are also human and grown men, people can't deal with assholes on a daily basis everyone has a boiling point.

Or maybe there is a systematic problem in the Club that undermines the managers. This includes players being able to gripe to the Board if they are unhappy and their agents being privy to a change of manager before our managers knows eg Hughes and Mancini!
 
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What bit of his post do you disagree with?
 
We have won games by huge score lines this season so not sure why you claim we haven't?

We have also won far more games than we have lost so again, i stick by my post and we have everything still to play for.

I dont disagree that its a shit period of form by our own high standards over all but its not the doom and gloom many want to portray either.

Winning more games than we lose is not an accurate way to judge performance. Nor is 'we are in 4 comps' or win percentages

We are expected to win the league, that is the standard and anything short needs to be explained. Last season we finished second and the view was we needed pace and a few tweaks and we'll regain top spot

Now, we looked awful yesterday and have done on several occasions this season with the same mistakes being made by the manager
 
I would love to sack Pellegrini if we had a replacement, but I don't see how we can have a replacement with all the stuff that is going on, unless Bayern are sacking Pep.

I think Pellegrini did a good job when he first came to City & is capable of a much higher level of tactical & organisational management than we are seeing. But I think there is strong evidence that he will only do that when backed into a corner. It wouldn't surprise me at all, if we suddenly won a bunch of games now playing a 4-6 formation wih no strikers & Silva as a 'false' 9 or something, as he's proved he can do shit like that. But he's also proved he struggles to motivate players to run the extra yard for him, & that he will try to revert to variations of his favourite system, against any opposition, at any time, & often refuses to take the oppo or the conditions, or the fitness of his players, into consideration. Well either that or he's a fucking stupid old bastard & I'm giving him too much credit.

He is apparently using fitness issues as an excuse. Well I was pointing out weeks ago, how he was running DeBruyne into the ground (many thought that was perfectly ok) & DeBruyne has never been quite as sharp since. I have also mentioned 1000 times, how imo a proper manager would have started regularly using kids later in games as subs etc & that thuis would have started over a year ago. The typical response to this from some is 'we pick the strongest side for every game' & 'they have to prove they are good enough, not expect favours'.

Well it isn't a fucking 'favour' it's about using our own kids to take the strain off the 'first team' players giving them more time to recuperate & not having them running at times when they are likely to pick up injuries & strains. It doesn't fucking matter whether or not George Evans is or isn't going to make it as a long term City player, if he can stop Fernandinho straining a calf muscle by replacing him for 30 mins when we're 3-0 up. This is the key to Ferguson's use of young players, not that they all bcome stars like Giggs, they help THE SQUAD get through tough times. That old fucker has totally failed to make best use of the untold riches at his fingertips & has no plan whatsoever in that regard, even for the short term.

And I'll give you the example which proves this: on the bench v Stoke, fucking Garcia. What the fuck was he EVER going to do v Stoke, away, in a fucking hurricane ? Kean Bryan, who tackles everything which moves, runs his balls off for City & even keeps possession better than Garcia, stronger, much more likely to survive ? Never even played 5 mins under Pellegrini. Absolutely scandallous waste of a potential asset which could help the squad & stupid, short sighted management. Denayer could also have filled in centre mid & right back as well as cb, & probably done centre mid better than Fernando. a better 1v1 defender than ANYONE in the first team. Maybe George Evans could have filled a space whilst others rested too. All would need minutes on the pitch to get upto pace first though. None have had any. Utter shit management. So when he moans about injuries, he is full of shit imo. He fucked up Negredo in a dead game, for no reason, almost cost us the season, & that has always made me wonder about him.

Absolutely spot on. We could at this stage have a number of youth team players that could supplement the squad and would give us so many options. The youngsters are out on the bench to make up numbers and do not stand a real chance of playing. Garcia is one who could certainly have given a chance along with others. By not introducing them last year and giving them game time this season we have shot ourselves in the foot.
 
No offence but I don't see what you're argument is? No one's saying pellers shouldn't play an attacking philosophy we're saying he should play an attacking philosophy/system suitable for our players. If we play 4231 we get overrun i.e against bin dippers therefore we should play a system/formation better suited for the players on the pitch whether it's 433 541 352 or whatever. These are the type of things managers should be looking into but no pellers will continue to play 4231 hoping our players will grind a result.

Ferran never said we should play formation xyz, he said we should play attacking football

This is the key point.

Attacking football does not equal tactical stupidity, you can actually counter attack if the circumstances are right. You make the best balanced team from what's available & do what the oppo would least like. If it's just abou throwing players forward, Ozzy Ardiles can manage City. Clearly, it isn't just about that.
 
What would we achieve right now?

This would cause nothing but instability within the club right now with players including back room staff from top to bottom.

Wether or not I agree with yes it's frustrating but sacking a manager right now is not the answer in my opinion.

24hrs ago we were top of the league & we need stability to make sure we qualify for champs league football & we have a semi final to contend.

Wait until the end of the season then make changes and fro reeading other posts it looks like pep could really be happening.

We would demonstrate that it was wrong to fire Mancini, for one.

Yes, tank four competitions that we have a chance of winning so that "I was right on the internet all along" can be gleefully shouted in these parts. That sounds like a great plan to me. Fortunately the club is not run by incoherent, hateful children. He's here till the end of the season almost certainly. Then Pep or whomever comes in.

I've almost always defended Pellers and will fully admit to being completely appalled at some of the performances we've been putting in this year. Because I have no allegiance to or against any current or former manager and don't really care if "idiotic shit I say on the internet" is later proven/seems to to be correct. I support MCFC and want the best for the club.

Just wait. If Pep comes here and he has his, maybe, second bad result that next season. Will the same people who absolutely flip their shit at Txiki, Khaldoon, Pellers, etc be in full freakout mode? "Oh, Pep tries to overcorrect for every last thing! Too unstable! Overrated fucking c*nt. Needs to be fucked off. etc etc etc etc."

For fucks sake just support Inter this year if you still love Mancini that much. And then support whoever else he manages two years from now. You'll make yourselves and a lot of others happier if you do.
 
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