Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

[Damocles]

To be fair, there are a ton of people blasting Pellers youth policy. Not give the opportunity etc.

To be fair, me, @twosips, @Neville Kneville and a few others identified this trait of his really early and have been consistently told that we're wrong and he'll play them when they're good enough. Our problem seems to stem from us actually watching them regularly and thinking that they can already contribute to our squad in a healthy way.

Much of the fanbase seems to have come around to this viewpoint recently so the people who had gotten stick for years over it will obviously feel a little irritation at it.

 

[Damocles]

I'm in the 'wait and see what we achieve in May' camp, so I thought this thread was a bit premature. However I've just been on Twitter and people are already slagging off the new EDS manager who hasn't even took over yet, so maybe this isn't too bad.

Decent reasons for that to be fair. Davies has done a lot of good in the Academy but there's a general feeling that he was the power behind the Vieira throne tactically where some felt improvement was needed.

 

[twosips]

Decent reasons for that to be fair. Davies has done a lot of good in the Academy but there's a general feeling that he was the power behind the Vieira throne tactically where some felt improvement was needed.

I'm hesitant re Davies, but I honestly obviously couldn't say for sure. He was the assistant manager at the end of the day, not the manager, and who knows what he will be like as his own man? In general I think people like to see fresh impetus and ideas, but i'm willing to give him a fair crack of the whip for now.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I'm hesitant re Davies, but I honestly obviously couldn't say for sure. He was the assistant manager at the end of the day, not the manager, and who knows what he will be like as his own man? In general I think people like to see fresh impetus and ideas, but i'm willing to give him a fair crack of the whip for now.

I know of someone who had dealings with him at another place & was not impressed but tbf the circumstancrs were vastly different. He has a fair bit of experience it has to be said. But then you have to wonder, if the 'great one' takes over as manager, whether he will see Davies as the ideal man between him & the a academy. Then again, Pep might, like Pellegrini & Mancini, not give a flying fuck about the academy.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I've seen rubbish in my time but when a manager sits on their backside for 25 mins while a car crash unfolds TWICE (Liverpool and now Stoke) then he should be an ex manager very quickly. Alan Ball, Frank Clark and Mark Hughes were the last managers who performed this particular trick at City. All were clueless as to what to do about their circumstances, as is Pellegrini at the moment.

The sooner he is gone the better because we won't win ANYTHING this season with Pellers at the helm in his CURRENT STATE OF MIND - we may not even qualify for the Champions league. We should be doing MUCH better than we are with the current squad regardless of injuries. Quite simply City have forgotten how to defend under him. We have the quality of player.

He needs to shock the opposition and defend deep and pack central midfield for a few games. But I can't see him doing it.

 

[MadchesterCity]

It bugs me like mad that those who would like some decent youth integration are then accused of wanting nowt but youth and that they would start Humphreys over Demichelis and Roberts over Navas every week, as if we're that unreasonable - yet we've never said anything like that. They literally ignore all points and just revert to nonsense like that. I've said it a thousand times before. If teams like Newcastle, Villa or whatever can take points off us despite starting one of their academy kids, an academy kid that has played against our academy kids in youth football and been comprehensively outplayed, then why should we all of a sudden lose if we include one of our kids for thirty minutes?

I'd like to understand the reasoning behind that. Our youth palyers are proven better than the vast majority in the country given their performances in cups, and leagues etc at youth level, yet they're deemed more likely to cause us problems, despite other lesser clubs often using one or two of their own? So we really can't afford to have one promising player amongst ten top class seniors for half hour? Yet a lower club can start one probably lesser promising player amongst ten slightly less top class seniors...and therefore we will lose? It doesn't make sense logically.

Use people like Evans, Bryan, whatever, to relax the strain on Fernandinho, Yaya when we can. Sagna's played every game in Zaba's absence, and he's knackered, clearly. Give Maffeo a go for ONE game against lesser opposition from the bench just to relax the strain on him. Yet we don't, and our players will get injured and instead we get ridiculous quotes from Pellegrini saying we have only 13 players, completely and utterly retardedly dismissing our youth players as promising players. Proper kick in the teeth. He should be saying 'we have 13 fit senior players, but we have promising youth players i have a lot of faith in'...yet he pretends they don't exist. How is that good management? It isn't. It's awful.

I agree mate and as one of the most informed individuals on our forum with regards the ability of our youth it's clear your comments are both accurate and damming on the approach toward youth from Pellegrini and a percentage of our fan base.

 

[flb]

We should have bedded in a few academy lads by now otherwise it's going to make the next managers job that bit harder to implement it- I get this three year cycle lark but only if we have players from within plying there trade in the first team squad to make it work . We are still very much a buying club, at this moment in time it's one big white elephant, it will kill the enthusiasm inside the academy very quickly if this issue isn't sorted out.

Again KN has nailed it in this regard , and this on its own makes me want Pellegrini peddled.

 

[PragueBlue]

I agree mate and as one of the most informed individuals on our forum with regards the ability of our youth it's clear your comments are both accurate and damming on the approach toward youth from Pellegrini and a percentage of our fan base.

Personally I would have thought those who see those players everyday would be in a position to give a more accurate view on the youth at the club and whether they are ready to play a part in the first team. The lack of playing time for those players would suggest that they don't feel they are quite ready yet. Our senior management team had a pretty good record of giving youth a chance at Barcelona so I would think they know what they are doing in this regard.

 

[PragueBlue]

We should have bedded in a few academy lads by now otherwise it's going to make the next managers job that bit harder to implement it- I get this three year cycle lark but only if we have players from within plying there trade in the first team squad to make it work . We are still very much a buying club, at this moment in time it's one big white elephant, it will kill the enthusiasm inside the academy very quickly if this issue isn't sorted out.

Again KN has nailed it in this regard , and this on its own makes me want Pellegrini peddled.

And what if the new manager doesn't feel they are ready yet?

 

[flb]

And what if the new manager doesn't feel they are ready yet?

Only one way to find out though isn't there, Denayer is ready for one - sadly he will fuck off somewhere else,plenty of opportunities for them to get game time, Capital cup for one should be our breeding ground.