Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

[Neville Kneville]

Nail on the head mate.

Unfortunately we still have fans that refuse to accept the above.

It's not nail on the head at all, it's complete bollocks. The only team at the club which DOESN'T play like the academy teams is the first team.

We are supposed to play attacking football, that doesn't mean 2 in midfield v 5 & being a fucking idiot. If Txiki was in charge of the first team it would be playing 433, with the fullbacks pushing inside to make 5, & basically, whatever the result, be far more progressive than anything Pellegrini puts out. If Guardiola comes, you will see the 'City way' not what this bloke is doing.

 

[blueinsa]

It's not nail on the head at all, it's complete bollocks. The only team at the club which DOESN'T play like the academy teams is the first team.

We are supposed to play attacking football, that doesn't mean 2 in midfield v 5 & being a fucking idiot. If Txiki was in charge of the first team it would be playing 433, with the fullbacks pushing inside to make 5, & basically, whatever the result, be far more progressive than anything Pellegrini puts out. If Guardiola comes, you will see the 'City way' not what this bloke is doing.

You are so consumed with hate you are unable to see the wood for the trees.

 

[Neville Kneville]

You are so consumed with hate you are unable to see the wood for the trees.

Hate ? For Pellegrini or City ?

Pick out where I'm missing the point, & what is wrong with what I've said, rather than just picking on me.

 

[Dribble]

'The ability to knit together the academy and the first team to work together using the same footballing concepts is key to our success and sustainability'

Quote from Txiki.

This was talking about Simon Davies, who will take over Viera in January. I think it highlights that Manuel isn't responsible for the way we play. I think he is responsible for picking players and for motivating the first team to play in the way the club wants to from the academy up.

I don't think we look at other teams and think 'how do we stop them', it's more how will they 'stop us'. This is going to be a long process, and I think Manuel isn't getting the team playing the 'brand' correctly right now.

I can see why they are going after Pep. He knows this system better than anybody.

When Txiki said 'The same footballing concepts' I don't think he was referring to the suicidal use of 442 with a 32 year old 15 stone Yaya as part of the midfield 2. I've seen some of our youth football and I don't recall similar tactics or formations being employed tbh, so where does our 'holistic' approach begin and end?

 

[blueinsa]

Hate ? For Pellegrini or City ?

Pick out where I'm missing the point, & what is wrong with what I've said, rather than just picking on me.

Hate for Pellegrini and you are not alone.

We dont play attacking football do we not?

Kun, Silva, KdB, Sterling, Yaya etc and over 300 goals scored under Pellegrini alone yet we don't play attacking football?

 

[Proy]

It's not nail on the head at all, it's complete bollocks. The only team at the club which DOESN'T play like the academy teams is the first team.

We are supposed to play attacking football, that doesn't mean 2 in midfield v 5 & being a fucking idiot. If Txiki was in charge of the first team it would be playing 433, with the fullbacks pushing inside to make 5, & basically, whatever the result, be far more progressive than anything Pellegrini puts out. If Guardiola comes, you will see the 'City way' not what this bloke is doing.

I can see your logic. Take a pub/restaurant as an example. Say a harvester. It's part of a brand and no matter which one you go into in the British Isles the idea is that the guest will have the same experience. Within that, they will employ General Managers to deliver this brand, and not all of them will get the concept to the letter and as such the guest may have a different experience. I think Manuel is an example of this. He's getting the majority of it right but there are always fine details that can make a difference and I think he is making one or two mistakes that are effecting the brand.

I think Guardiola will not make such mistakes.

For the record, I like Manuel. I think he's a decent manager who is finding it difficult to motivate the players to carry out those fine details, and tactically has made a few errors within it. But as general rule, we do use a 4-5-1 or 4-3-3. I think some of the players also need to take responsibility

 

[Neville Kneville]

Hate for Pellegrini and you are not alone.

We dont play attacking football do we not?

Kun, Silva, KdB, Sterling, Yaya etc and over 300 goals scored under Pellegrini alone yet we don't play attacking football?

Of course we play attacking football.

I don't know which post of mine you have been reading but you seem to have missed the point completely & have no knowledge of what I was referring to. Best just move on.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I can see your logic. Take a pub/restaurant as an example. Say a harvester. It's part of a brand and no matter which one you go into in the British Isles the idea is that the guest will have the same experience. Within that, they will employ General Managers to deliver this brand, and not all of them will get the concept to the letter and as such the guest may have a different experience. I think Manuel is an example of this. He's getting the majority of it right but there are always fine details that can make a difference and I think he is making one or two mistakes that are effecting the brand.

I think Guardiola will not make such mistakes.

For the record, I like Manuel. I think he's a decent manager who is finding it difficult to motivate the players to carry out those fine details, and tactically has made a few errors within it. But as general rule, we do use a 4-5-1 or 4-3-3. I think some of the players also need to take responsibility

I like Pellegrini too & I think he could deliver everything we require but he isn't really interested in doing so unless it's 'his way' & has no interest in the club or its future becaise he won't be here.

I think he could be a great manager but unfortunately is too set on his own path. I will always remenber his first season though where he repaired a mess Mancini had left. Unfortunately he has gone too far & chucked out the baby with the bath water.

 

[bondsman]

So we put up with shite and potentially another trophy less year in the weakest premier league in memory on the premise pep is coming?

What do we do if/when he doesn't come?

As for playing attacking football we might mistake being wide open defensively for attacking but I haven't seen us play high quality attacking football in a long time. Having the ball a lot doesn't mean we are threatening.

Same old excuses and deference to pep and txixi trotted out again as we continue to under perform. If txixi buys the players sack him cos they ain't performing the one he bought anyway. If pellegrini can't manage them sack him. But whichever way you cut it things are not going well. I don't care that we are 3 pts off top 3 pts are 3 pts and on current form that gap will get wider quickly.

On Saturday he made like for like subs didn't change anything! The guy lacks personality and so does his team. I hope he's gone Wednesday morning.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

No - I wouldn't sack him - now he is still in with a shout of winning 4 trophies - he needs the players pulling their fingers out and getting on with the job in hand and some luck with the injuries.

He could not have picked a different side on Saturday

I've argued that he could have done things differently, even if his room for manoeuvre was limited. He could have started Delph and the 2 Ferns in a central midfield three, with Fernando just sat in front of the back four. He could also have started Navas & Sterling but said "Until I say so, I want you to sit deep and keep close to the full back, effectively as a 5 in midfield. If you get the chance to break then take it but get back as soon as you can."

He could also have started with Iheanacho, who won't be involved tomorrow. Silva and/or KDB could have been brought on at the 60 minute mark to perhaps play a more expansive game, putting one of them in the No 10 role and transitioning from a 4-5-1 to a 4-2-3-1. Sometimes you gave to be pragmatic rather than doing the same old thing and hoping for the best.

Of course they won't sack him now but how many defeats like Stoke and Liverpool does it require before the trajectory is sufficiently poor to require some sort of action?

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