Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

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A degenerate makes some interesting comments,for an American.gives us another perspective of our global brand perception,well done that man.
 
ADegenerate said:
I'm going to preface this by assuming we win the league...

If he doesn't get a fourth year it'll be an absolute travesty. I don't even know how it makes sense for there to even be any room for discussion. Three titles in three years (maybe an extra cup, or two to bolster that even more). You all know about his holistic approach so I won't bring up those details as it's accepted that it's one of his biggest additions to the team. He plays attacking, aggressive football which is paramount to growing our fan base in the american market that's ripe for the picking. A new manager would probably want to adjust tactics, which would be a negative in the short term because it's time spent doing something new rather than improving on what you've been working on for years now. Why not continue trying to perfect your approach? You know where you stand with it.

Bringing in Pep would put stress and excess pressure on the squad. I think you could argue that being a good or bad thing but totally unnecessary risk for me. Not that wages are a massive deal for our glorious owners but that's another factor. Perhaps those funds could be allocated towards improving the squad?

I can't for the life of me figure out why it's so common to replace managers after two or three years in football. Having a statistics background leads me to believe owners/media/fans are too results oriented with a sample size of one or two years in replacing managers. There's an adjustment period for managers too. They're very intelligent people, they're aware of the mistakes they made and should have a better idea than anyone at the adjustments that need to be made. I remember when rumors were flying that Pep was going to take over this year. Imagine if we let MP go. This new manager might have had different preferences on the signings we've made. The one's we added look to be absolutely perfect at what we need at this point in time. A 10-0 GD with a 4-0-0 start would be pretty damn difficult to replicate.

It put's doubt in the players mind as well because they're a direct piece of the puzzle that lead to the change. Why add to the potential for squad tension and unrest?

Am I totally out of line here? I'm really open to discussion on this stance by the way. Constructive criticism is appreciated. I still have a lot to learn about the game/culture of football.
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I agree with you, from a performance point of view, if we win trophies this year then it would be extremely harsh to get rid. And a big risk in doing so.

The only arguments I see being used if that does happen would be failure in Europe, that seems the obvious next step up for City and could be used as an excuse for removal, not that I agree with that, Pellegrini has done well in Europe with other clubs so he doesn't exactly lack pedigree.

The only reason I would accept for removal would be if we were appointing a longer-term manager. I don't see Pellegrini as someone who believes he can take many risks due to the insecurity around his post, why play youth players and risk losing when he can field a more proven player when losing could be costly for his job? Why experiment when if it backfires you are under pressure?
If we had a manager that was given the backing to be a bit more risky in certain areas, such as integrating youth, then I could get behind that as a reason for change.

Having said all that I believe he's done great for us, the players seem to like him, he doesn't bring disrepute on the club unlike some managers (CoughMourinho) and I think he deserves his chance. And I don't see the fuss about Pep, look what Enrique has done at Barca winning the treble immediately also - and are Bayern really better than pre-Pep? For me Pep seems almost too experimental with how he uses his players and his tactics. I'm happy with Pellers.
 
stablemcfc said:
I agree with you, from a performance point of view, if we win trophies this year then it would be extremely harsh to get rid. And a big risk in doing so.

The only arguments I see being used if that does happen would be failure in Europe, that seems the obvious next step up for City and could be used as an excuse for removal, not that I agree with that, Pellegrini has done well in Europe with other clubs so he doesn't exactly lack pedigree.

The only reason I would accept for removal would be if we were appointing a longer-term manager. I don't see Pellegrini as someone who believes he can take many risks due to the insecurity around his post, why play youth players and risk losing when he can field a more proven player when losing could be costly for his job? Why experiment when if it backfires you are under pressure?
If we had a manager that was given the backing to be a bit more risky in certain areas, such as integrating youth, then I could get behind that as a reason for change.

Having said all that I believe he's done great for us, the players seem to like him, he doesn't bring disrepute on the club unlike some managers (CoughMourinho) and I think he deserves his chance. And I don't see the fuss about Pep, look what Enrique has done at Barca winning the treble immediately also - and are Bayern really better than pre-Pep? For me Pep seems almost too experimental with how he uses his players and his tactics. I'm happy with Pellers.
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Thank's for the response. If I'm recalling correctly Pellegrini stated his intent to integrate youth into the squad when he arrived. He obviously hasn't stuck to that which is a minor gripe I have with him. I'd didn't get laughed out of the forum for my post (wouldn't be the first time) so I'm glad that people are seeing what I'm trying to say at least. People here have a way better grasp than I do on here and many seem to think it's going to happen whether he wins the league or not. Crazy! I mean we could win the league, possibly break the scoring record, have a shot at breaking the PL record of 14 straight and it's not enough to keep your job? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. Granted, winning 5 straight is probably unlikely, and the scoring record is definitely questionable but it's still within grasp. People would fire him because he loses a two game tie where it's basically a 50/50 or 40/60 proposition?! Totally insane to me. How much of an upgrade would Pep be? I know if you give him the best team in the world with one of the best players of all time he can win but forgive me when I shrug at that. People way smarter than me are sold on him but that's not fitting enough for me without an explanation of why he would be the better man for the job.

I'll trust our glorious leaders with whatever decision they make but I can't figure this one out and nobody has really said or argued for why he should replace MP other than saying it's Pep.
 
ADegenerate said:
Thank's for the response. If I'm recalling correctly Pellegrini stated his intent to integrate youth into the squad when he arrived. He obviously hasn't stuck to that which is a minor gripe I have with him. I'd didn't get laughed out of the forum for my post (wouldn't be the first time) so I'm glad that people are seeing what I'm trying to say at least. People here have a way better grasp than I do on here and many seem to think it's going to happen whether he wins the league or not. Crazy! I mean we could win the league, possibly break the scoring record, have a shot at breaking the PL record of 14 straight and it's not enough to keep your job? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. Granted, winning 5 straight is probably unlikely, and the scoring record is definitely questionable but it's still within grasp. People would fire him because he loses a two game tie where it's basically a 50/50 or 40/60 proposition?! Totally insane to me. How much of an upgrade would Pep be? I know if you give him the best team in the world with one of the best players of all time he can win but forgive me when I shrug at that. People way smarter than me are sold on him but that's not fitting enough for me without an explanation of why he would be the better man for the job.

I'll trust our glorious leaders with whatever decision they make but I can't figure this one out and nobody has really said or argued for why he should replace MP other than saying it's Pep.
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Pep can fuck off, MP is class.
 
stony said:
This bit stood out for me.

"Pellegrini suggested that instead of Kaka the club sign David Silva but his request was ignored"

I hope Txiki is a bit more receptive to his advice than Perez was.
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Thank fuck Perez ignored his advice, if Madrid signed Silva, we would have ended up with Kaka instead.
 
stony said:
This bit stood out for me.

"Pellegrini suggested that instead of Kaka the club sign David Silva but his request was ignored"

I hope Txiki is a bit more receptive to his advice than Perez was.
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Gives a bit of perspective. Us as fans rate certain players and believe that it makes sense that they are "a. B. C." But manager's and execs could see it a bunch of different ways that while we might think we missed out on top targets, we could have gotten them all right at the end of the day.
 
Manuel has brought the club from the player turmoil it was at the end on the bobby era back from the dead and some of the football we play is outrageous!!! The test though will be in Europe again. With much better options such as de Bruyne, sterling, Delph and otamendi and a fit yaya and kompany then he should get it right most times. Pep will still be in charge next season though imo
 
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