Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[bondsman]

He buys players!

Well done you can read but maybe work on not being so literal

Thanks for the tip but I watch football in the 21st century

Ever played it though mate? Plus I'll say again United and arsenal didn't have directors of football and seemed to do well maybe their managers stuck around because some middle manager without any real coaching credentials didn't think he knew better and fucked with their team? Just a thought.

 

[sir baconface]

Isn't the biggest case for the DoF model continuity? The shite and dippers had far greater stability than us for long periods.

Besides, could you imagine Bacon tugging his forelock to a DoF?

 

[OB1]

whilst we read hundreds of judgmental, hypothetical theories that form the opinions of most people are on here, let's just remember that Txiki's remit also included the academy restructuring, and appointing Vieira to the EDS and Wilcox to the U18 side, as well as youth player recruitment, which has been very exciting. So let's just consider these things rather than decide what Txiki and Ferran must be thinking, what they've decided to do without any knowledge or insight, about decisions that have yet to be made and things that may happen if a certain situation occurred, and then slate them and dismiss them because of that illogical misconception.

Do you know that those were Txiki appointments or where they actually Marwood appointments? I don't know the answer and I don't ask to take anything away from Txiki but my understanding was that Txiki looked after the first team and Marwood the other teams.

 

[bondsman]

Because Liverpool and United won 20-30 years ago and football has changed as a business drastically since then.

When you had managers that built squads whose job was always around for 5-10 years then you can have the old model. When you have the average life of a manager at 5-10 months you can't.

That's a flawed argument though. Why follow a trend because it's a trend? Ferguson and Wenger weren't 20 - 30 years ago either. Plus importantly what it takes to win football matches isn't a director of football and never will be imo

It's not a trend. It's a complete change to how football businesses are run and has been adopted by almost every club in every country in the known footballing world.

This is like suggesting that we should ride a horse and these cars things are just a trend. Even most English clubs including City have used a DoF model for years. We won the title in 11/12 with a DoF. Chelsea have a DoF. So do Barca, both Madrids, Bayern, Dortmund, both Milans, basically everybody in the world.

Ferguson always had a DoF in Bobby Charlton though he was less hands on than the modern roles. Wenger grew up in a time before they were popular and has resisted one and look what he's done over the past 10 years - nothing for a club the size of Arsenal.

Nobody is suggesting that to win football matches you need a DoF. The suggestion is to consistently win football matches over many years you need a DoF now because giving managers carte blanche over transfers when the average appointment only lasts a year or so waste hundreds and hundreds of millions of pounds, and gets you pretty much nowhere. Also that the modern manager role has grown too big for them to be fucking about negotiating transfer fees and the like with other people or sit negotiating contracts with agents.

Bollocks that Bobby charlton was ferguson a director of football.

 

[OB1]

Isn't the biggest case for the DoF model continuity? The shite and dippers had far greater stability than us for long periods.

Besides, could you imagine Bacon tugging his forelock to a DoF?

Times change.

 

[oscarG]

klopp for city

I really hope we go for this guy class act. Poor season at dortmund but loses best players every year. Discuss!

 

[grim up north]

Well done you can read but maybe work on not being so literal

Thanks for the tip but I watch football in the 21st century

Ever played it though mate? Plus I'll say again United and arsenal didn't have directors of football and seemed to do well maybe their managers stuck around because some middle manager without any real coaching credentials didn't think he knew better and fucked with their team? Just a thought.

Yes mate I have played to a pretty high standard bitd

I don't think you have much clue how football clubs operate in this day and age have you

 

[TCIB]

Re: klopp for city

Posting in soon to be deleted thread

 

[Damocles]

Key ingredients for me are a chairman willing to invest. A manager who knows how to get the best out of players he has and how to spot players who will strengthen team. And players who want to win. Dof unnecessary imo

Who should the 100 strong international scouting team report?

Let's say a Chief Scout.

Ok, now who should be bothered to go and negotiate with agents in often hours long legal meetings?

Let's say a Chief Negotiator.

Now who can report to the board in all of their endless meetings and talk about the potential impacts of any new business decision on the footballing side?

Let's say a Chief Analyst.

But who does Yaya Toure's agent get on the phone to every day demanding a new TV for his residence because Kompany's is bigger?

Let's say that we have Chief Housekeeper.

Who interviews potential candidates for top positions in the medical departments or the nutrition departments that care for players?

Let's say a Chief Interviewer.

Who is looking at the composition of each squad over the next 5 years rather than the next 5 games, with good knowledge of both the scouting departments and the Academy, and basing purchasing decision off of them?

Let's say a Chief Squad Specialist

What about liaising with the Academy in terms of player recruitment and possible promotion candidates from the Under 13s to Under 15s?

Let's say Chief Academy Manager.

In fact instead we could really combine all of these roles into one person who does all of the stuff that used to get in a manager's way of preparing for the next game and allow them to sort of be a Head of the "Football Department" so we have a clear chain of command and a football intelligent person who can handle all of these problems that aren't really to do with one specific team but are instead problems with the business logistics.

We'll combine them all and call him a Director of Football.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Re: klopp for city

I really hope we go for this guy class act. Poor season at dortmund but loses best players every year. Discuss!

I dIdn't even think of him..... Do you reckon we could get him???