Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[crystal_mais]

Khaldoon wont risk waiting for Pep forget Txiki.

We have money to spend and 6000 extra seats to fill and our owners wont want to play poker on this.

What if I told you Soriano and Txiki's initial remit from Shiekh Mansoor was to get Pep???

We keep hearing this repeated over and over. Where's the truth or source behind this?

Can it be that both of these guys had done a decent job at Barca and that's why they were appointed at City?

That Pep's name is only in the gossip because Txiki is buddies with him not because of a conspiracy to lure him here all along.

I'm not going to say how I know or why I know - but the Shiekh & Khaldoon had stipulated to try as hard as they could to get Pep - They also understand that they can't get everything they want - and I'm sure they will do the right thing.

they were recruited as they came highly recommended and fit in with the vision of Abu Dhabi (Sheikh)

My opinion is Klopp has been lined up or at least spoken to (as have Ancelotti & Pep) - I believe in coincidences - I don't think Real Madrid is the right fit for Klopp - he needs security and assurances for development and longevity to implement what he needs. My only concern is Arsenal

 

[mosssideblue]

I think ultimately the decision on what happens this summer will be taken by people who are much better placed than us to make that decision. So many people are so entrenched in their own opinions on Pellegrini/Pep/Txiki that they literally can't see the wood for the trees. Whatever the club decide I'm going to respect it and back them because Khaldoon, Sheikh Mansour, Txiki, Ferran, they are all in this to do what's best for City, not what's best for them.

Yup.

The club will give Pellegrini their backing and ensure we all pull together to try and finish in the top 3. Behind the scenes they will be weighing up the pros and cons of sacking him - the money that may cost in severance and also how much they would have to pay to bring a new manager in. They've been handed a boost with Klopp resigning - no fee to Dortmund. Dependent on the situation for Bayern in the CL and Real in the CL and La Liga, it could be that Ancelotti, Pep and Klopp are all without a club this summer... Klopp going to Bayern would be unlikely in my opinion but how loyal is he really?! Real would be another choice though he's stated he'd prefer England.

Ancelotti would be another that Bayern or City would take... I believe Dortmund already have another German manager lined up. Pep wouldn't go to Real... so we would be the likely option. I doubt any other English club would sack a manager to have him there. Barca wouldn't go back for him either...

It could be an extremely rare situation with three top managers available this summer. My preference would be Klopp, I wouldn't mind either Pep or Ancelotti though I'm not too keen on Pep myself and don't think we can play his style of football with the squad we have.

Then again it may be that Bayern win two domestic trophies and forgive the CL exit - or, they might turn the deficit around considering the Porto suspensions.

Ancelotti might win La liga and or the CL and then surely he would stay...

City will make it known Pellegrini has another year with us, simply to ensure we get 100% from him this season. They'll be moving for a new manager in my mind considering Klopp is a free agent. I've never believed that Pep has an agreement from next season. It's pure speculation based on the obvious links with Txiki and Ferran. If one day things lined up then we'd try and get him but I don't think he's particularly keen on working at City, I think he'd prefer the Rags as it suits his ego a bit more.

As has been mentioned most City fans are loyal, barmy, fun loving nutcases... we also love a manager that entertains both on and off the pitch so long as he does his job well. Pellegrini has calmed things down but it's also been a bit dull. Klopp dressed in blue, dancing around the ground singing blue moon would bring the club back to the fans and it would certainly get the atmosphere pumped up in time for the new south stand.

Pellers might not be popular at the moment on here, but please dont insult his intelligence. If City have recently told him he has another year amongst all this media bollocks, he will know the score. That said, I believe he will always give his best.

 

[hateutd]

Klopp or Simeone...enough said.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

What if I told you Soriano and Txiki's initial remit from Shiekh Mansoor was to get Pep???

We keep hearing this repeated over and over. Where's the truth or source behind this?

Can it be that both of these guys had done a decent job at Barca and that's why they were appointed at City?

That Pep's name is only in the gossip because Txiki is buddies with him not because of a conspiracy to lure him here all along.

I'm not going to say how I know or why I know - but the Shiekh & Khaldoon had stipulated to try as hard as they could to get Pep - They also understand that they can't get everything they want - and I'm sure they will do the right thing.

they were recruited as they came highly recommended and fit in with the vision of Abu Dhabi (Sheikh)

My opinion is Klopp has been lined up or at least spoken to (as have Ancelotti & Pep) - I believe in coincidences - I don't think Real Madrid is the right fit for Klopp - he needs security and assurances for development and longevity to implement what he needs. My only concern is Arsenal

I met someone at lunch who is normally pretty good at these ITK moments - anyway - as they were leaving I said - Klopp to City then? They said - don't rule out Spurs.

 

[Marvin]

City won't 'wait' for Pep unless they in actual fact already have an agreement with Pep which neither party can break. That would be the only sensible way in which a business like ours would act in this situation.

Even that carries risks, as health issues or any other life changing event could result in him not pitching up. 12 months is a long time to wait.

I think ultimately the decision on what happens this summer will be taken by people who are much better placed than us to make that decision. So many people are so entrenched in their own opinions on Pellegrini/Pep/Txiki that they literally can't see the wood for the trees. Whatever the club decide I'm going to respect it and back them because Khaldoon, Sheikh Mansour, Txiki, Ferran, they are all in this to do what's best for City, not what's best for them.

Much better placed maybe, but with better judgement?

When you're presented as a fan with a managerial target and then you get him, you believe. But in hindsight don't you think it was a very strange appointment?

And why do we Thear more from Khaldoon than we do our CEO? All we hear from Khaldoon is the yearly management review. That will be interesting

Another moment to look forward to: the Lap of honour. I think it might be in everyone's interests that they announce before the game that City wont be staying behind to do their tour of the pitch.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Khaldoon wont risk waiting for Pep forget Txiki.

We have money to spend and 6000 extra seats to fill and our owners wont want to play poker on this.

What if I told you Soriano and Txiki's initial remit from Shiekh Mansoor was to get Pep???

We keep hearing this repeated over and over. Where's the truth or source behind this?

Can it be that both of these guys had done a decent job at Barca and that's why they were appointed at City?

That Pep's name is only in the gossip because Txiki is buddies with him not because of a conspiracy to lure him here all along.

I can tell you for a fact that late 2012, Sheikh Mansour had instructed the team to do whatever necessary to get Pep. I know this because of a contact of mine who knows Sheikh Mansour well and was with him on his yacht during the Abu Dhabi grand prix at the time.

Clearly we failed to get him then, and maybe our plans have moved on. I have no idea whether it's still our plan, but it certainly was back then.

 

[supercity88]

Yeah why is there so much incorrect stuff about Ancelotti in this thread? He's won league titles pretty consistently, he's stayed ages at a club.

Cup manager? Short term? He's neither.

Nailing my colours to the mast - I actually rate him ahead (or at least the level) of Pep. Same goes for Klopp.

Does 3 league titles in 20 years of management really count as consistent?

2 years in England - 1 title
2 years in France - 1 title
2 years in Spain - ?

It's just bulked up by 1 title in ages in Italy in a time where most of the title wins over him have been chalked off due to corruption.

.. and if we went a season without the title as we'd won the Champions League (2× Milan, 1 × Real) it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Also anothet myth "can't bring through / improve players"

Only Pirlo, Kaka and Shevchenko.

I do rate Ancelotti and I think he is heavily underrated. He's succeeded in winning the decima... a lot of managers have come and gone in pursuit of that and he did it. He's also taken Real on an incredible win run, that suffered a blip at the turn of the new year which was always inevitable. We've seen it happen to Barca and Bayern recently too. He's turned it around, they're still in the CL and still in the race for La Liga with the easier run in on paper. They've also the better head to head record should they tie on points.

He's nurtured a few players. Pirlo was an attacking midfielder before Ancelotti decided to place him in the role he's defined as his own. You can't argue that he should have done better with Milan domestically though. But he has done well at Chelsea, PSG and Real now and his European record is brilliant. Personally I think it would help the club immensely to have a manager with European pedigree so the media can't keep harping on about our poor European record.

I note that our loss to Barca was more focussed on our poor play than their sheer class as displayed last night, albeit against a side without key players and with injury issues. Ancelotti could make a team out of our current squad and new signings. So could Klopp and it's the personality he has that makes him my no.1 target. I like his philosophy, I like that he's not managed in England before, I like that he'd be 100% ours in terms of domestic football. Ancelotti's time at Chelsea takes a bit of that away from us.

Pep… Well, you can’t argue with his achievements or the brilliance his teams display. What you can argue is that he’s had players like Xavi, Messi, Iniesta, Robben, Ribery etc. But… in a two horse race domestically he’s had the ability to win through. It was his dominance that led to Mourinho being shown the door. Real could beat them occasionally but football in its purist sense won through.
I don’t get the feeling he would get our team to play well. I’m a firm believer in the basics where football is concerned. Our academy is centred on just that. Develop footballers who can actually play football. Can pass, control etc. I cannot see our back 4 or 5 being able to play Guardiola’s style. Kompany is okay on the ball but we’ve all seen how poor our team copes when under pressure from the opposition. Signings would help of course… but I feel like we need another three seasons to get the team completely technically sound and bring in academy players who can play the style Pep likes.
Based on that it’s Klopp or Ancelotti for me.

 

[Marvin]

Does 3 league titles in 20 years of management really count as consistent?

2 years in England - 1 title
2 years in France - 1 title
2 years in Spain - ?

It's just bulked up by 1 title in ages in Italy in a time where most of the title wins over him have been chalked off due to corruption.

.. and if we went a season without the title as we'd won the Champions League (2× Milan, 1 × Real) it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Also anothet myth "can't bring through / improve players"

Only Pirlo, Kaka and Shevchenko.

I do rate Ancelotti and I think he is heavily underrated. He's succeeded in winning the decima... a lot of managers have come and gone in pursuit of that and he did it. He's also taken Real on an incredible win run, that suffered a blip at the turn of the new year which was always inevitable. We've seen it happen to Barca and Bayern recently too. He's turned it around, they're still in the CL and still in the race for La Liga with the easier run in on paper. They've also the better head to head record should they tie on points.

He's nurtured a few players. Pirlo was an attacking midfielder before Ancelotti decided to place him in the role he's defined as his own. You can't argue that he should have done better with Milan domestically though. But he has done well at Chelsea, PSG and Real now and his European record is brilliant. Personally I think it would help the club immensely to have a manager with European pedigree so the media can't keep harping on about our poor European record.

I note that our loss to Barca was more focussed on our poor play than their sheer class as displayed last night, albeit against a side without key players and with injury issues. Ancelotti could make a team out of our current squad and new signings. So could Klopp and it's the personality he has that makes him my no.1 target. I like his philosophy, I like that he's not managed in England before, I like that he'd be 100% ours in terms of domestic football. Ancelotti's time at Chelsea takes a bit of that away from us.

Pep… Well, you can’t argue with his achievements or the brilliance his teams display. What you can argue is that he’s had players like Xavi, Messi, Iniesta, Robben, Ribery etc. But… in a two horse race domestically he’s had the ability to win through. It was his dominance that led to Mourinho being shown the door. Real could beat them occasionally but football in its purist sense won through.
I don’t get the feeling he would get our team to play well. I’m a firm believer in the basics where football is concerned. Our academy is centred on just that. Develop footballers who can actually play football. Can pass, control etc. I cannot see our back 4 or 5 being able to play Guardiola’s style. Kompany is okay on the ball but we’ve all seen how poor our team copes when under pressure from the opposition. Signings would help of course… but I feel like we need another three seasons to get the team completely technically sound and bring in academy players who can play the style Pep likes.
Based on that it’s Klopp or Ancelotti for me.

Any would be a dream. They are possibly the best 3 managers in the game so if his is a game of fantasy football I'd probably go for Klopp.

In the real world we'd have to make a very good convincing argument as to why they would want to come here. It's a lot harder than it was when we appointed Pellegrini

 

[maccblue38]

Does 3 league titles in 20 years of management really count as consistent?

2 years in England - 1 title
2 years in France - 1 title
2 years in Spain - ?

It's just bulked up by 1 title in ages in Italy in a time where most of the title wins over him have been chalked off due to corruption.

.. and if we went a season without the title as we'd won the Champions League (2× Milan, 1 × Real) it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Also anothet myth "can't bring through / improve players"

Only Pirlo, Kaka and Shevchenko.

I do rate Ancelotti and I think he is heavily underrated. He's succeeded in winning the decima... a lot of managers have come and gone in pursuit of that and he did it. He's also taken Real on an incredible win run, that suffered a blip at the turn of the new year which was always inevitable. We've seen it happen to Barca and Bayern recently too. He's turned it around, they're still in the CL and still in the race for La Liga with the easier run in on paper. They've also the better head to head record should they tie on points.

He's nurtured a few players. Pirlo was an attacking midfielder before Ancelotti decided to place him in the role he's defined as his own. You can't argue that he should have done better with Milan domestically though. But he has done well at Chelsea, PSG and Real now and his European record is brilliant. Personally I think it would help the club immensely to have a manager with European pedigree so the media can't keep harping on about our poor European record.

I note that our loss to Barca was more focussed on our poor play than their sheer class as displayed last night, albeit against a side without key players and with injury issues. Ancelotti could make a team out of our current squad and new signings. So could Klopp and it's the personality he has that makes him my no.1 target. I like his philosophy, I like that he's not managed in England before, I like that he'd be 100% ours in terms of domestic football. Ancelotti's time at Chelsea takes a bit of that away from us.

Pep… Well, you can’t argue with his achievements or the brilliance his teams display. What you can argue is that he’s had players like Xavi, Messi, Iniesta, Robben, Ribery etc. But… in a two horse race domestically he’s had the ability to win through. It was his dominance that led to Mourinho being shown the door. Real could beat them occasionally but football in its purist sense won through.
I don’t get the feeling he would get our team to play well. I’m a firm believer in the basics where football is concerned. Our academy is centred on just that. Develop footballers who can actually play football. Can pass, control etc. I cannot see our back 4 or 5 being able to play Guardiola’s style. Kompany is okay on the ball but we’ve all seen how poor our team copes when under pressure from the opposition. Signings would help of course… but I feel like we need another three seasons to get the team completely technically sound and bring in academy players who can play the style Pep likes.
Based on that it’s Klopp or Ancelotti for me.

Agree with all the above. Klopp for me, just slightly shading it over Ancelotti. Course we don't know for sure, but if the worst happens and we don't make top 4, I think Klopp would take Europa League for a season and look at the rebuilding job as a challenge. Think Ancelotti & Pep would be looking elsewhere if we couldn't offer Champs League from the off. They want ready made Champs League standard squads.

 

[cleavers]

In the real world we'd have to make a very good convincing argument as to why they would want to come here. It's a lot harder than it was when we appointed Pellegrini

You're hopeful that people will operate in the real world on here. Many seem to be living the myth we are the greatest club in the world, and that pep can't wait to vacate Bayern for us, but even if he can't, then Anceloti surely will, and failing that Klopp is nailed on, and all will bring Messi, and numerous others with them, just because its City.

I'd personally call it deluded, at best we have about a 5% chance of any of those, with Real likely looking for their biennial manager change (la liga won't save him, cl just might).

The most credible rumour is Sabella, and I'd rather stick than twist if that's the best option.

Glad I'm on holiday, reading this thread every day would depress me, we are still years away from clicking our fingers at the very best coaches, and seeing them form an orderly queue at the etihad, were still on course, not worried about that, I fully expected the odd bumpy setback, but were not there yet, and until we build a decent reputation amongst the worlds elite (clubs, coaches, and players) we will continue to struggle to attract those at the very top. We need to be looking at those who WANT[\b] to be there.