Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

It's the cult of the personality that makes me uncertain that Klopp is the right man for the job.

I like the idea of him, and would prefer him to Pellegrini, but you're right, people are largely buying into an image of him - educated, but maverick, passionate and thought provoking. They're attributes most fans like.
Fans are also buying to the notion that if you get Pep, you get a taste of Barca, and if you get Klopp, you get a taste of Dortmund. I think people probably let their imagines run overboard with those thoughts.

No, some of us can see that he built an incredible team at dortmund, fused with guile and technical ability, balanced perfectly with Youth and experience..... Just because a cartel dismantles it doesn't make it less incredible...

Back to back titles with a champs league final appearance, on that budget, is top notch..... I'm telling you now, pep couldn't do it.

Ignore ray, he takes his Mr Charles impersonator duties far too seriously!!!

 

[Ray78]

It's the cult of the personality that makes me uncertain that Klopp is the right man for the job.

I like the idea of him, and would prefer him to Pellegrini, but you're right, people are largely buying into an image of him - educated, but maverick, passionate and thought provoking. They're attributes most fans like.
Fans are also buying to the notion that if you get Pep, you get a taste of Barca, and if you get Klopp, you get a taste of Dortmund. I think people probably let their imagines run overboard with those thoughts.

His style is opposite what our youth team is playing so that is one negative.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

We'd all be entertained by Klopp but it'd take a lot of changes. For example, I am not convinced Silva could play in the style Klopp likes (neither could Nasri). Do you sell Silva or tell Klopp to deal with it? Do you change transfer targets from players ideal for our current 'philosophy' in favour of Klopp style players (although I think KDB could be great for Klopp), even if the groundwork is done on many of those deals? Counter-pressing and direct football would become more prevalent under Klopp, with less emphasis on ball retention and passing quality (Dortmund's pass accuracy is 77%, which is Stoke/Newcastle level, because they are a more direct team), things Soriano has told us we're sticking to. Klopp isn't some Guardiola-style tactics king, he is fairly set in his ways just like Pellegrini and likes to stick with it. So to get the best out of him, you need the best players who can play his way.

Indeed. They only had 36% possession at our place. But then they did pretty much create a chance every time they had the ball.

 

[LoveCity]

It's the cult of the personality that makes me uncertain that Klopp is the right man for the job.

I like the idea of him, and would prefer him to Pellegrini, but you're right, people are largely buying into an image of him - educated, but maverick, passionate and thought provoking. They're attributes most fans like.
Fans are also buying to the notion that if you get Pep, you get a taste of Barca, and if you get Klopp, you get a taste of Dortmund. I think people probably let their imagines run overboard with those thoughts.

Correct. I love Klopp, he's a great personality, but I believe people are thinking of the Dortmund side that made us look like a pub team, not the Dortmund side with the same amount of losses as Sunderland and fewer goals scored than QPR, despite having the 2nd or 3rd best squad in the BuLi still. Klopp's tactics and methods are not working as well as they did this year.

Now the question is, is this because they have been matched or is it because his 'cycle' at Dortmund has ended and he just can't get the same levels out of the players anymore. Dortmund still have a very good squad despite the sales with players like Reus, Aubameyang (who Arsenal have apparently offered £30m for), Gundogan, Sahin, Hummels, Subotic, Kagawa, Bender, Schmelzer, Mkhitaryan and Piszczek. Almost every one of those players would sell for over £10m. This is no poverty team, it's still stronger than most of the Bundesliga yet they have managed to concede more goals than they have scored and don't look as effective anymore.

Given a straight choice, Pep has to be the best option. Klopp is a choice I think based on emotion and the urgency right now for some kind of lift, any kind of lift out of this gloom we're stuck in under a manager who is failing to inspire players or fans. Klopp would indeed lift us but I'm not sure he is as good a coach as many think. If he is, this is one serious slump he's in with a good team.

 

[Manc in London]

Ancelotti, Guardiola and Klopp are all very good managers. However, it's Klopp's personality that makes him my preference. He is edgy, a maverick, is emotional, immerses himself in his work and is a gentleman. I am convinced he will connect with the fans and the fans will take to him. It would be a great ride with him on board.

Guardiola is, of course, an excellent coach but he comes across as cold, arrogant and pompous, and can act like a slapped arris at times when things are not going his way. I am also not convinced he is a particularly resilient character.

 

[Ray78]

Klopp's reputation won't be harmed much by this season, won back to back titles on a small budget and got to a UCL final. Dortmund have had bad luck with injuries this season and have under performed as well. Their recent signings haven't been good enough, Immobile, Kagawa, Ramos & Mkhitaryan mainly.

I can't see any big club bringing Klopp in, not sure he'd suit Barca's style or Real Madrid's way of splashing out on a few new players every season.

He still has spent money and they were in a serious relegation battle until a couple months ago.

 

[daztrueblue91]

It's the cult of the personality that makes me uncertain that Klopp is the right man for the job.

I suppose that'd cast similar doubts on Pep too.

In all honesty I'm not unconvinced Ancelotti is the best option - he's arguably the best at working with what he's got.

Plus what was the score last time Pep faced Carlo?

Both Ancelotti and Guardiola have proven they can handle big egos for a sustained period at an 'elite club'. As I keep saying pre takeover Klopp would be ideal. Not now, especially when Dortmund are languishing in mid table and have crashed out of the Champions League at the same time as City.

I'm struggling to see how Ancelotti has handled big ego's for a sustained period at a club. He has managed 'elite clubs' in Juventus, AC Milan, Chelsea, PSG and Real Madrid and won 3 league titles in over 15 seasons. That is an absolute shocking return for a so called 'elite' manager. I couldn't care less about he CL record because you need a large degree of luck in the competition. There is no hiding place for managers in the league and for me he is worse than Mancini.

Pep and Klopp on the other hand are masters at playing a certain style and they have the results to back their style. With our squad needed a huge rebuild and our academy on the rise, we should be going all out to get either of them two and transforming this team.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

It's the cult of the personality that makes me uncertain that Klopp is the right man for the job.

I suppose that'd cast similar doubts on Pep too.

In all honesty I'm not unconvinced Ancelotti is the best option - he's arguably the best at working with what he's got.

Plus what was the score last time Pep faced Carlo?

Both Ancelotti and Guardiola have proven they can handle big egos for a sustained period at an 'elite club'. As I keep saying pre takeover Klopp would be ideal. Not now, especially when Dortmund are languishing in mid table and have crashed out of the Champions League at the same time as City.

After having their best players sold from under them to appease ffp/bayern.

This is man is 5 times the manager MP is, he's arguable even better than Mancini.

 

[Ray78]

I suppose that'd cast similar doubts on Pep too.

In all honesty I'm not unconvinced Ancelotti is the best option - he's arguably the best at working with what he's got.

Plus what was the score last time Pep faced Carlo?

Both Ancelotti and Guardiola have proven they can handle big egos for a sustained period at an 'elite club'. As I keep saying pre takeover Klopp would be ideal. Not now, especially when Dortmund are languishing in mid table and have crashed out of the Champions League at the same time as City.

I'm struggling to see how Ancelotti has handled big ego's for a sustained period at a club. He has managed 'elite clubs' in Juventus, AC Milan, Chelsea, PSG and Real Madrid and won 3 league titles in over 15 seasons. That is an absolute shocking return for a so called 'elite' manager. I couldn't care less about he CL record because you need a large degree of luck in the competition. There is no hiding place for managers in the league and for me he is worse than Mancini.

Pep and Klopp on the other hand are masters at playing a certain style and they have the results to back their style. With our squad needed a huge rebuild and our academy on the rise, we should be going all out to get either of them two and transforming this team.

8 years at AC MIlan where they had both Berlusconi and his right hand man Galliani in charge and his short spell at PSG.

 

[Ray78]

I suppose that'd cast similar doubts on Pep too.

In all honesty I'm not unconvinced Ancelotti is the best option - he's arguably the best at working with what he's got.

Plus what was the score last time Pep faced Carlo?

Both Ancelotti and Guardiola have proven they can handle big egos for a sustained period at an 'elite club'. As I keep saying pre takeover Klopp would be ideal. Not now, especially when Dortmund are languishing in mid table and have crashed out of the Champions League at the same time as City.

After having their best players sold from under them to appease ffp/bayern.

This is man is 5 times the manager MP is, he's arguable even better than Mancini.

Pellegrini's only season at charge at Real Madrid had them within 3 points of a dominant Barcelona side.