Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[sh249]

What concerns me about Klopp is that in Dortmund he worked with nearly a youth team. Young players with little leverage and needing to prove themselves.
Can he motivate our seasoned players, our stars in particular?
I doubt it.

It's certainly a consideration that Klopp had particular success with a group of young, hungry players who bought into his system and - crucially - into him personally. Of course he has been hampered somewhat by financial restrictions, but the players he has brought in to replace that 'first' generation haven't been particularly successful.
Don't get me wrong - I like him a lot, and would be happy to see him here. And by sheer force of personality he might be able to get much more in terms of workrate, drive and hunger out of our current squad. But it would be a very different ball game for him to come in and work with a group of established pros (and egos) and I dare say it would prove a real challenge for him. The success he has had to date has been based very much on that sense of unity and common goal between players, manager and club, and if he could replicate that here, it would be fantastic. I'm not sure that he is that tactically astute, though - he's certainly struggled this season to find a solution to their problems.

 

[BillyShears]

You will find that some of us named Klopp as the perfect manager for us years ago.

This isn't desperation, outside of youth policy I'm perfectly happy with Pellers.

Its that we have a BMW and we have the chance of a Ferrari.

Klopp is a level above almost every manager out there AND he perfectly fits the goals of the club. His calibre don't come on the market very often and when they do it is mismanagement not to go for them.

If Messi comes on the market tomorrow you can guarantee that we are in for him aswell, and for much of the same reasons

Bang on. I've been banging the Klopp drum going back three/four years now. Would be a perfect fit etc. I can understand if people wanna respect Pellegrini and not assume that he's gone when he hasn't. However it's a stretch to start trying to do down everything Klopp has achieved and his clear abilities as a football manager.

 

[Marvin]

You will find that some of us named Klopp as the perfect manager for us years ago.

This isn't desperation, outside of youth policy I'm perfectly happy with Pellers.

Its that we have a BMW and we have the chance of a Ferrari.

Klopp is a level above almost every manager out there AND he perfectly fits the goals of the club. His calibre don't come on the market very often and when they do it is mismanagement not to go for them.

If Messi comes on the market tomorrow you can guarantee that we are in for him aswell, and for much of the same reasons

Bang on. I've been banging the Klopp drum going back three/four years now. Would be a perfect fit etc. I can understand if people wanna respect Pellegrini and not assume that he's gone when he hasn't. However it's a stretch to start trying to do down everything Klopp has achieved and his clear abilities as a football manager.

The one weakness in Klopp's CV is that he has only built one great team. A great manager would do it again. Of course he may well do.

 

[mosssideblue]

You will find that some of us named Klopp as the perfect manager for us years ago.

This isn't desperation, outside of youth policy I'm perfectly happy with Pellers.

Its that we have a BMW and we have the chance of a Ferrari.

Klopp is a level above almost every manager out there AND he perfectly fits the goals of the club. His calibre don't come on the market very often and when they do it is mismanagement not to go for them.

If Messi comes on the market tomorrow you can guarantee that we are in for him aswell, and for much of the same reasons

Bang on. I've been banging the Klopp drum going back three/four years now. Would be a perfect fit etc. I can understand if people wanna respect Pellegrini and not assume that he's gone when he hasn't. However it's a stretch to start trying to do down everything Klopp has achieved and his clear abilities as a football manager.

That rule is fine, but it hasn't stopped quite a few on here ignoring it with Pellers.

 

[3rdgenerationblue]

People who dont know a lot about him say things like this. People who do know a lot about him dont.

Klopp is about nine million times the manager of Bobbyor Pellers, with all due respect to both of them. He is one of those people who are seen as great thinkers of the game, and his geigenpressing style was revolutionary for the period. Not only this but he has cultivated some of the major talents in European football both in an attacking and defensive sense, then beat Munich to the league title several years running and put his club in a CL final. Most impressively he managed to do this on a comparative shoestring and selling his best players every year.

He is a bit like Cruyff in that he sees the game in a very specific way but has all of the modern management skill you would expect with a great record to boot.

He would do astonishing things with a squad like ours.

another rude and condescending comment.

just because people have a different opinion to yours doesn't mean they are imbeciles.

and your opinion that klop would do wonders with our ageing squad is clearly flawed. His game is about pressing and I can't see our lot doing much of that, no matter who the manager is
klop would be a flop without huge investment.

anybody who knows about klop knows this.

Have you missed the memo about huge personnel changes in the summer or are you trying to make a point that isn't there to be made?

Good use of your highlighter.

But all you have done is highlight your ignorance.
I questioned Damocles view that klop would do wonders with our PRESENT squad, not with the urban myth of a new team come August.

I'll probably get banned again now for challenging idiotic or rude comments.

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DON'T DARE CHALLENGE THE MODS.

I AM A ROCKER AND WON'T POST AGAIN.

 

[JimmyGrimble10]

all this talk of Klopp and not one indication of the club going for this man. Only Klopp rumours have appeared here. Im 99% sure this man will not be our next manager. Fit's nothing into our style.

Would love to be wrong.

 

[kupest]

I am going to side with Ray on here about Klopp being good but definitely not Jesus in disguise. His current season at Dortmund worries me, with the squad that they still have they should have nowhere been near the bottom or even midtable. Dortmund have less than half the points Bayern have (73 vs 36).

They spent 67 million euros in 2014/ and none of those players have worked for Klopp. Their outgoing of note was Lewandowski for free ofcourse. However they did bring in Adrian Ramos, Kagawa, Sahin, Immobile, Ginter, Kampl who are decent players. They spent 28 million Euros on Mkhitaryan (euro was strong then) in 2013/14 which is a very high amount considering they got 37 for Gotze.

I do think Klopp and Zorc have not done well at all in the transfer market. Bayerns spent less money (net) than Dortmund in the past 2 years. Dortmund are one of the highest spenders in the Bundesliga (net) (I think they are the highest) in the past 2 seasons. You look at squads like Monchengladback who have spent almost nothing in the last 3-4 years (net) and they are up there in league since the past few years.

I have seen people on here going on and on about how they have lost a lot of players over the years but honestly Lewandowski and Gotze are the only 2 players of any note who have left and Dortmund did spend during both those windows but not wisely. I still think that without Lewandowski and Gotze they have a great squad and should be nowhere near where they are.

Don't get me wrong I do think Klopp is a good manager, but he has been way poorer than Pellegrini has this season.

 

[BillyShears]

I am going to side with Ray on here about Klopp being good but definitely not Jesus in disguise. His current season at Dortmund worries me, with the squad that they still have they should have nowhere been near the bottom or even midtable.

They spent 67 million euros in 2014/ and none of those players have worked for Klopp. Their outgoing of note was Lewandowski for free ofcourse. However they did bring in Adrian Ramos, Kagawa, Sahin, Immobile, Ginter, Kampl who are decent players. They spent 28 million Euros on Mkhitaryan (euro was strong then) in 2013/14 which is a very high amount considering they got 37 for Gotze.

I do think Klopp and Zorc have not done well at all in the transfer market. Bayerns spent less money (net) than Dortmund in the past 2 years. Dortmund are one of the highest spenders (net) (I think they are the highest) in the past 2 seasons.

I have seen people on here going on and on about how they have lost a lot of players over the years but honestly Lewandowski and Gotze are the only 2 players of any note who have left and Dortmund did spend during both those windows but not wisely. I still think that without Lewandowski and Gotze they have a great squad and should be nowhere near where they are.

Don't get me wrong I do think Klopp is a good manager, but he has been way poorer than Pellegrini has this season.

What worries me is that we seemingly have this pipe dream of a perfect manager who doesn't exist. Even Pep could be out of the CL tonight. How's that for owners who apparently want the CL very badly. His away record in the CL is very poor btw. Think he's only won 6 of 20 ties.

Any manager you appoint comes with a certain amount of risk. Klopp would be no different. However IF we want a new man this summer then he is someone with a pedigree with the right football style and the right personality.

None of that is a slight on Manuel btw. I would MUCH prefer Klopp to him but I respect and rate him so if he continues as our manager he'll continue to get my support and respect.

 

[kippax neil]

all this talk of Klopp and not one indication of the club going for this man. Only Klopp rumours have appeared here. Im 99% sure this man will not be our next manager. Fit's nothing into our style.

Would love to be wrong.

Talk and rumours generated by the journos/media...nothing from the club to suggest we're even looking for another manager.

It seems parallel worlds are being run here. I'm still running with the theory that was mentioned when Pellegrini took over...that he was appointed to do a job for 3 years and then Pep steps in..sounds like a plan. So what if it happens 12 months earlier?

Problem the press have, is they don't want to portray us as though we are working to a strategy.

 

[dancity19]

I am going to side with Ray on here about Klopp being good but definitely not Jesus in disguise. His current season at Dortmund worries me, with the squad that they still have they should have nowhere been near the bottom or even midtable.

They spent 67 million euros in 2014/ and none of those players have worked for Klopp. Their outgoing of note was Lewandowski for free ofcourse. However they did bring in Adrian Ramos, Kagawa, Sahin, Immobile, Ginter, Kampl who are decent players. They spent 28 million Euros on Mkhitaryan (euro was strong then) in 2013/14 which is a very high amount considering they got 37 for Gotze.

I do think Klopp and Zorc have not done well at all in the transfer market. Bayerns spent less money (net) than Dortmund in the past 2 years. Dortmund are one of the highest spenders (net) (I think they are the highest) in the past 2 seasons.

I have seen people on here going on and on about how they have lost a lot of players over the years but honestly Lewandowski and Gotze are the only 2 players of any note who have left and Dortmund did spend during both those windows but not wisely. I still think that without Lewandowski and Gotze they have a great squad and should be nowhere near where they are.

Don't get me wrong I do think Klopp is a good manager, but he has been way poorer than Pellegrini has this season.

What worries me is that we seemingly have this pipe dream of a perfect manager who doesn't exist. Even Pep could be out of the CL tonight. How's that for owners who apparently want the CL very badly. His away record in the CL is very poor btw. Think he's only won 6 of 20 ties.

Any manager you appoint comes with a certain amount of risk. Klopp would be no different. However IF we want a new man this summer then he is someone with a pedigree with the right football style and the right personality.

None of that is a slight on Manuel btw. I would MUCH prefer Klopp to him but I respect and rate him so if he continues as our manager he'll continue to get my support and respect.

I guess the concern with Klopp is how much of a slide Dortmund have had, and how far away they have been from Bayern the last few years. However, I don't necessarily share these concerns - I would love him at City. I think his character would give City a huge lift - genuinely think he would improve the atmosphere.
Not saying I want a manager to be running round all the time like Simeone, but I wonder whether Pellegrini's very neutral persona has contributed to the lack of atmosphere.

Anyway - the bit about the perfect manager is right. It seems that it is accepted on here there are 3 managers who everyone would see as an upgrade:
Klopp
Pep
Ancelotti

As you say, though, they all have had certain failures to a certain extent. Did pep struggle under the pressure at the end of the reign at Barca? Ancelotti may not retain his title. Klopp has struggled this year. Ancelotti didn't retain the title when at Chelsea etc etc....