Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[supercity88]

City will rarely ever find themselves in this position and I suppose we don’t ever want to! On the negative side we have a manager who has failed to build on last season’s results and also failed to get anywhere near the same level of performances even on a one off basis. On the plus side, it’s given us a great reason to offload him now. An even bigger plus is that whilst we may have to pay him off, he’s only got a year left. Better still, Pep may only have a year to pay off, Klopp is a free agent, Benitez wants to leave and Ancelotti is likely to be available. Liverpool may sack Rodgers but they would be our only English rival for these top managers. Real and Pep… no. Bayern and Klopp…not yet, if ever. We give Pep a clear “come this summer or not at all” and he’ll have to either sign for City or sign an extension with Bayern. Or… he could just sit on his final year but will Bayern not then try to force him out?

The bonus is, if Pep signs an extension there will be plenty of top managers available still. And if talks aren’t positive we still have Pellegrini with a year left and a strong window and he may get us back to last season’s level. Either way, it will be top level, it will be secretive, it will be sneaky and they’ll attempt to keep it that way and avoid publicity as per Hughes and Mancini. I don’t care how they do it, as long as they maintain harmony until the final game of the season is done to ensure we are all pulling together with the aim to finish third.

 

[kalouk]

I agree about Viera - but a wider point.

The British media literally have no clue what's going on behind the scenes because nobody at City is talking either on the record or off. They can continue to pluck names out of thin air and attach them to the City job, but it won't change the fact that they don't actually know who City favour or in which order.

It's easy to write the list of six managers (Klopp, Pep, Carlo, Sabella, Benitez, Viera) who it's possible could get the job, but picking who out of the six is likely to get the job is an impossible task as I suspect only a handful of people even know and only one or two (Txiki + Khaldoon/Mansour) will decide.

Another point to remember is that there may not even be a City job to discuss. We are assuming Pellegrini will go but I have a feeling he will still be here next season.

City are playing their cards extremely close to their chest. They have accepted that the performances this year have not been good enough. It is not a negative on the manager but a negative all around.

They also accept that the cycle is coming to an end - there is only so much you can squeeze from this team. MP came at a time to help start the build. Unfortunately external (Political & Economic) factors have disturbed the growth and the necessary investment has not been made. The club have taken FFP very seriously - they want to be part of the big boys group and doing everything to comply.

Why should they have sacked MP - 4 weeks ago - PV doesn't want the gig part time - he's got it all to lose - We have had some absolutely shit luck since the turn of the year, also performances have not been the best.

We don't have the players for high press, quick football. The majority of this team was built around a slow possession game (Mancini style).

We have a host of candidates available this season - the key target is top 4 - I'm assuming the plans and targets are already drawn up for the next 5 years. We have Klopp & Ancelotti. Maybe also Enrique at Barca may need a job. Maybe even keep MP but with the players he needs to play the system he feels best with.

If I heard right that Khaldoon and Soriano have laid the law down to the players - then I expect some to start putting a shift in. Some don't give a shit, they're off. Others have got it all to play for.

I'm excited by the future -

Really good post. I have a feeling that whilst they are not happy with this season they will replace players rather than the manager. I don't think Klopp is possible as I don't think we have the players available to play his style of football. Why get him if you can't give him the tools to do what he does best. Pep and Ancelotti may still be at their present clubs so might not even be an option. I feel a lot of people are assuming he will go and are going to be disappointed. Like you I'm excited by the future, The people behind the scenes know more than we ever will and can make decisions with all the facts. I believe they will make the right one for the club.

 

[Danamy]

+ 2.

I agree about Viera - but a wider point.

The British media literally have no clue what's going on behind the scenes because nobody at City is talking either on the record or off. They can continue to pluck names out of thin air and attach them to the City job, but it won't change the fact that they don't actually know who City favour or in which order.

It's easy to write the list of six managers (Klopp, Pep, Carlo, Sabella, Benitez, Viera) who it's possible could get the job, but picking who out of the six is likely to get the job is an impossible task as I suspect only a handful of people even know and only one or two (Txiki + Khaldoon/Mansour) will decide.

Another point to remember is that there may not even be a City job to discuss. We are assuming Pellegrini will go but I have a feeling he will still be here next season.

There's a big chance that could happen to be honest, everyone thinks it's a given he's gone but it isn't.

 

[simon23]

I agree about Viera - but a wider point.

The British media literally have no clue what's going on behind the scenes because nobody at City is talking either on the record or off. They can continue to pluck names out of thin air and attach them to the City job, but it won't change the fact that they don't actually know who City favour or in which order.

It's easy to write the list of six managers (Klopp, Pep, Carlo, Sabella, Benitez, Viera) who it's possible could get the job, but picking who out of the six is likely to get the job is an impossible task as I suspect only a handful of people even know and only one or two (Txiki + Khaldoon/Mansour) will decide.

Another point to remember is that there may not even be a City job to discuss. We are assuming Pellegrini will go but I have a feeling he will still be here next season.

There's a big chance that could happen to be honest, everyone thinks it's a given he's gone but it isn't.

I for one will opnely question the decision makers if he is here next year and that includes the person/people at the very very top. I know i will get the usual "you are sayingt hat you know more than these guys" sort of comments back but after over 35 years playing and watcing and coaching football im qualified enough to see that it would be very bad decision.

I have never been impressed with MP even last season when he won the cup and title...there were clear obvious floors in his tactical apporach that Im suprised other teams didnt take advantage of (maybe they werent able to at the time)......

He has been completely found out tactically and has onyl every changed approach when he HAD to. He has also clearly lost the trust of the players..not just one or two but the vast majority..yes they will support him publically as Joe Hart has done recently but you can tell with the looks of frustration on the likes of Kompany, silva and zabba when they are on the pitch...they know they are being exposed by a manager asking the team to do something that it isnt capable of

The other reason for needing to change the manager as unusually there ar a couple of high class contenders that are (or probably will be) readi;y available to take over (esp Klopp and ancelotti - of he does leave madrid).

We shouldnt be stalling for Pep (UNLESS we have a cast iron guarantee that he will come - and i dont think cast iron guarnatees exist especially in the footballing world).

He needs to be gone at the end of the season....if we were going to have Viera then he should have been put in place weeks ago to see how it went

 

[crystal_mais]

Another point to remember is that there may not even be a City job to discuss. We are assuming Pellegrini will go but I have a feeling he will still be here next season.

There's a big chance that could happen to be honest, everyone thinks it's a given he's gone but it isn't.

I for one will opnely question the decision makers if he is here next year and that includes the person/people at the very very top. I know i will get the usual "you are sayingt hat you know more than these guys" sort of comments back but after over 35 years playing and watcing and coaching football im qualified enough to see that it would be very bad decision.

I have never been impressed with MP even last season when he won the cup and title...there were clear obvious floors in his tactical apporach that Im suprised other teams didnt take advantage of (maybe they werent able to at the time)......

He has been completely found out tactically and has onyl every changed approach when he HAD to. He has also clearly lost the trust of the players..not just one or two but the vast majority..yes they will support him publically as Joe Hart has done recently but you can tell with the looks of frustration on the likes of Kompany, silva and zabba when they are on the pitch...they know they are being exposed by a manager asking the team to do something that it isnt capable of

The other reason for needing to change the manager as unusually there ar a couple of high class contenders that are (or probably will be) readi;y available to take over (esp Klopp and ancelotti - of he does leave madrid).

We shouldnt be stalling for Pep (UNLESS we have a cast iron guarantee that he will come - and i dont think cast iron guarnatees exist especially in the footballing world).

He needs to be gone at the end of the season....if we were going to have Viera then he should have been put in place weeks ago to see how it went

Really - I agree he is tactically limited at times but my view - you say asking the players to do something they are not capable of - maybe he wants them to do the right thing but these guys have limitations and just don't get it.

I have watched Barca, Madrid, Bayern & PSG - they all play a similar brand of football we want to play. They also have the same defensive issues - the main thing is they have the necessary strengths in midfield and up front to combat their defensive frailties.

Maybe it's not just Pelle - the others may have the same issues (bar Klopp/Simione) who build for a counter attacking game.

 

[Healdplace]

Did anyone ever reveal who it was that - a couple of weeks back - we were waiting upon an answer? Apparently, according to this insider, someone in a current job.

If that was true then the answer (yes or no) if it has come might have a bearing on the noises from the club that suggest Pellegrini might indeed be staying.

Is it possible that whoever this was (Pep possibly?) said no to coming to City this Summer and it has made the decision to stick with Pellegrini what the club feel might be the best alternative.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

There's a big chance that could happen to be honest, everyone thinks it's a given he's gone but it isn't.

I for one will opnely question the decision makers if he is here next year and that includes the person/people at the very very top. I know i will get the usual "you are sayingt hat you know more than these guys" sort of comments back but after over 35 years playing and watcing and coaching football im qualified enough to see that it would be very bad decision.

I have never been impressed with MP even last season when he won the cup and title...there were clear obvious floors in his tactical apporach that Im suprised other teams didnt take advantage of (maybe they werent able to at the time)......

He has been completely found out tactically and has onyl every changed approach when he HAD to. He has also clearly lost the trust of the players..not just one or two but the vast majority..yes they will support him publically as Joe Hart has done recently but you can tell with the looks of frustration on the likes of Kompany, silva and zabba when they are on the pitch...they know they are being exposed by a manager asking the team to do something that it isnt capable of

The other reason for needing to change the manager as unusually there ar a couple of high class contenders that are (or probably will be) readi;y available to take over (esp Klopp and ancelotti - of he does leave madrid).

We shouldnt be stalling for Pep (UNLESS we have a cast iron guarantee that he will come - and i dont think cast iron guarnatees exist especially in the footballing world).

He needs to be gone at the end of the season....if we were going to have Viera then he should have been put in place weeks ago to see how it went

Really - I agree he is tactically limited at times but my view - you say asking the players to do something they are not capable of - maybe he wants them to do the right thing but these guys have limitations and just don't get it.

I have watched Barca, Madrid, Bayern & PSG - they all play a similar brand of football we want to play. They also have the same defensive issues - the main thing is they have the necessary strengths in midfield and up front to combat their defensive frailties.

Maybe it's not just Pelle - the others may have the same issues (bar Klopp/Simione) who build for a counter attacking game.

I tend to agree, it might not just be Pelle. I do think the wider problem is not having a team that are dedicated to the club.... Hart, Kompany, Zabba, and that's it I think. Where Pelle lets us down is not being able to manage mercenary players who sometimes cant be arsed.

 

[moh]

Another point to remember is that there may not even be a City job to discuss. We are assuming Pellegrini will go but I have a feeling he will still be here next season.

There's a big chance that could happen to be honest, everyone thinks it's a given he's gone but it isn't.

I for one will opnely question the decision makers if he is here next year and that includes the person/people at the very very top. I know i will get the usual "you are sayingt hat you know more than these guys" sort of comments back but after over 35 years playing and watcing and coaching football im qualified enough to see that it would be very bad decision.

I have never been impressed with MP even last season when he won the cup and title...there were clear obvious floors in his tactical apporach that Im suprised other teams didnt take advantage of (maybe they werent able to at the time)......

He has been completely found out tactically and has onyl every changed approach when he HAD to. He has also clearly lost the trust of the players..not just one or two but the vast majority..yes they will support him publically as Joe Hart has done recently but you can tell with the looks of frustration on the likes of Kompany, silva and zabba when they are on the pitch...they know they are being exposed by a manager asking the team to do something that it isnt capable of

The other reason for needing to change the manager as unusually there ar a couple of high class contenders that are (or probably will be) readi;y available to take over (esp Klopp and ancelotti - of he does leave madrid).

We shouldnt be stalling for Pep (UNLESS we have a cast iron guarantee that he will come - and i dont think cast iron guarnatees exist especially in the footballing world).

He needs to be gone at the end of the season....if we were going to have Viera then he should have been put in place weeks ago to see how it went

Obvious on many levels perhaps?

:-)

 

[flb]

I agree about Viera - but a wider point.

The British media literally have no clue what's going on behind the scenes because nobody at City is talking either on the record or off. They can continue to pluck names out of thin air and attach them to the City job, but it won't change the fact that they don't actually know who City favour or in which order.

It's easy to write the list of six managers (Klopp, Pep, Carlo, Sabella, Benitez, Viera) who it's possible could get the job, but picking who out of the six is likely to get the job is an impossible task as I suspect only a handful of people even know and only one or two (Txiki + Khaldoon/Mansour) will decide.

Another point to remember is that there may not even be a City job to discuss. We are assuming Pellegrini will go but I have a feeling he will still be here next season.

City are playing their cards extremely close to their chest. They have accepted that the performances this year have not been good enough. It is not a negative on the manager but a negative all around.

They also accept that the cycle is coming to an end - there is only so much you can squeeze from this team. MP came at a time to help start the build. Unfortunately external (Political & Economic) factors have disturbed the growth and the necessary investment has not been made. The club have taken FFP very seriously - they want to be part of the big boys group and doing everything to comply.

Why should they have sacked MP - 4 weeks ago - PV doesn't want the gig part time - he's got it all to lose - We have had some absolutely shit luck since the turn of the year, also performances have not been the best.

We don't have the players for high press, quick football. The majority of this team was built around a slow possession game (Mancini style).

We have a host of candidates available this season - the key target is top 4 - I'm assuming the plans and targets are already drawn up for the next 5 years. We have Klopp & Ancelotti. Maybe also Enrique at Barca may need a job. Maybe even keep MP but with the players he needs to play the system he feels best with.

If I heard right that Khaldoon and Soriano have laid the law down to the players - then I expect some to start putting a shift in. Some don't give a shit, they're off. Others have got it all to play for.

I'm excited by the future -

That was evident against West Ham without a doubt

 

[crystal_mais]

I for one will opnely question the decision makers if he is here next year and that includes the person/people at the very very top. I know i will get the usual "you are sayingt hat you know more than these guys" sort of comments back but after over 35 years playing and watcing and coaching football im qualified enough to see that it would be very bad decision.

I have never been impressed with MP even last season when he won the cup and title...there were clear obvious floors in his tactical apporach that Im suprised other teams didnt take advantage of (maybe they werent able to at the time)......

He has been completely found out tactically and has onyl every changed approach when he HAD to. He has also clearly lost the trust of the players..not just one or two but the vast majority..yes they will support him publically as Joe Hart has done recently but you can tell with the looks of frustration on the likes of Kompany, silva and zabba when they are on the pitch...they know they are being exposed by a manager asking the team to do something that it isnt capable of

The other reason for needing to change the manager as unusually there ar a couple of high class contenders that are (or probably will be) readi;y available to take over (esp Klopp and ancelotti - of he does leave madrid).

We shouldnt be stalling for Pep (UNLESS we have a cast iron guarantee that he will come - and i dont think cast iron guarnatees exist especially in the footballing world).

He needs to be gone at the end of the season....if we were going to have Viera then he should have been put in place weeks ago to see how it went

Really - I agree he is tactically limited at times but my view - you say asking the players to do something they are not capable of - maybe he wants them to do the right thing but these guys have limitations and just don't get it.

I have watched Barca, Madrid, Bayern & PSG - they all play a similar brand of football we want to play. They also have the same defensive issues - the main thing is they have the necessary strengths in midfield and up front to combat their defensive frailties.

Maybe it's not just Pelle - the others may have the same issues (bar Klopp/Simione) who build for a counter attacking game.

I tend to agree, it might not just be Pelle. I do think the wider problem is not having a team that are dedicated to the club.... Hart, Kompany, Zabba, and that's it I think. Where Pelle lets us down is not being able to manage mercenary players who sometimes cant be arsed.

that's football or any thing we do in life - its a job for these guys - like you and I