Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[not my fault!]

I still feel the players are a bigger problem than the manager.

If we replaced the likes of Nasri, Yaya and Jovetic with Sterling, De Bruyne and Pogba - it would be a big improvement to our squad, no matter who was the manager.

If Pellegrini agreed to adapt to 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 and we signed well in the summer, I wouldn't be too disappointed about keeping Pellegrini.

It doesn't matter if we had Guardiola or Klopp, neither could win the Premiership or Champion's League this season with this current group of players IMO. Our squad is so unbalanced right now it's ridiculous.

Nail on head I think, Pep or stick with Pellers for now for me. Bigger issue is the players & bringing down that age average & upping the hunger/desire levels in the squad.

 

[halfcenturyup]

That is a different point to the one being made.

It may be valid, and it is certainly clear that the team hasn't been well refreshed in the last few years, but it is 9 months since these players won the title last year. Do we really think that hunger and desire diminish so much, so quickly?

Personally, I don't buy into the age story. That just seems too convenient a way to point the blame for a poor season at the players and I am increasingly sceptical of messages coming out of the club, either directly or indirectly.

That is all too easy. We have now decided the players are mercenaries have we? After 6 years of saying that they aren't?

There have been mitigating factors in both seasons and a problem is rarely one side's fault.

Spot on BT. There is only one common denominator

Five or six years is a long time for a player to remain at the same club and it's not realistic to expect the same levels of motivation and hunger from a 23/24 year old with no medals as from 28/29 year old who's won everything near enough. Doesn't necessarily make them mercenaries just human.

 

[peoffrey]

pellers has to go at the end of the season. this squad needs a kick up the arse and pellers hasn't got the nerve to do it or the nous to mend it.

This is the man who signed Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema and Alonso for Madrid. His Villarreal team were also exceptional and achieved great things in La Liga and the Champions League. I'm convinced the blame largely lies with certain players and Txiki Begiristain but concede Pellegrini is part of the problem too.

I think one more season with some strong changes of personnel could see City surprise in 15/16. Hiring and firing constantly hasn't been our way for a fair few years now. We've been there and done that.

 

[chris85mcfc]

pellers has to go at the end of the season. this squad needs a kick up the arse and pellers hasn't got the nerve to do it or the nous to mend it.

This is the man who signed Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema and Alonso for Madrid. His Villarreal team were also exceptional and achieved great things in La Liga and the Champions League. I'm convinced the blame largely lies with certain players and Txiki Begiristain but concede Pellegrini is part of the problem too.

I think one more season with some strong changes of personnel could see City surprise in 15/16. Hiring and firing constantly hasn't been our way for a fair few years now. We've been there and done that.

Not entirely sure he was the reason they signed for Madrid

 

[BillyShears]

That is a different point to the one being made.

It may be valid, and it is certainly clear that the team hasn't been well refreshed in the last few years, but it is 9 months since these players won the title last year. Do we really think that hunger and desire diminish so much, so quickly?

Personally, I don't buy into the age story. That just seems too convenient a way to point the blame for a poor season at the players and I am increasingly sceptical of messages coming out of the club, either directly or indirectly.

That is all too easy. We have now decided the players are mercenaries have we? After 6 years of saying that they aren't?

There have been mitigating factors in both seasons and a problem is rarely one side's fault.

Five or six years is a long time for a player to remain at the same club and it's not realistic to expect the same levels of motivation and hunger from a 23/24 year old with no medals as from 28/29 year old who's won everything near enough. Doesn't necessarily make them mercenaries just human.

It's not about making excuses. It's about analysing the drop in intensity from last season and figuring out why. Obviously we did the double so that's two more trophies.

Let's skin the cat a different way. If you take the players who've underperformed - how many of them do you think would reinvigorated with a different manager and how many would you trust through another PL and CL campaign?

 

[peoffrey]

This is the man who signed Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema and Alonso for Madrid. His Villarreal team were also exceptional and achieved great things in La Liga and the Champions League. I'm convinced the blame largely lies with certain players and Txiki Begiristain but concede Pellegrini is part of the problem too.

I think one more season with some strong changes of personnel could see City surprise in 15/16. Hiring and firing constantly hasn't been our way for a fair few years now. We've been there and done that.

Not entirely sure he was the reason they signed for Madrid

I think a player still needs to subscribe to what the manager plans for them. His Madrid team finished just behind the finest Barcelona side in years so he must have been doing something right.

If it's the players and DoF that ruined Mancini and the players and DoF that are ruining Pellegrini then there's surely only one answer?

 

[chris85mcfc]

This is the man who signed Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema and Alonso for Madrid. His Villarreal team were also exceptional and achieved great things in La Liga and the Champions League. I'm convinced the blame largely lies with certain players and Txiki Begiristain but concede Pellegrini is part of the problem too.

I think one more season with some strong changes of personnel could see City surprise in 15/16. Hiring and firing constantly hasn't been our way for a fair few years now. We've been there and done that.

Not entirely sure he was the reason they signed for Madrid

I think a player still needs to subscribe to what the manager plans for them. His Madrid team finished just behind the finest Barcelona side in years so he must have been doing something right.

If it's the players and DoF that ruined Mancini and the players and DoF that are ruining Pellegrini then there's surely only one answer?

I think our player recruitment in the last three summers has a lot to answer for, but questioning those that are involved in the recruitment just isn't possible on here.

The reason Pellegrini cops for it, is that he can surely see that the players that he has got at his disposal aren't capable of playing the way that he wants them to, but yet he keeps playing them in that manner. But then people point to a league and cup double, so basically its a vicious circle that I don't think we will ever get out of until we offload a lot of the current players and bring in new faces who can play the way he wants them to, Whilst baring in mind that Pellegrini won't be here at the end of next summer, so the players we sign have to want to play for the club and not the manager

 

[peoffrey]

I think a player still needs to subscribe to what the manager plans for them. His Madrid team finished just behind the finest Barcelona side in years so he must have been doing something right.

If it's the players and DoF that ruined Mancini and the players and DoF that are ruining Pellegrini then there's surely only one answer?

I think our player recruitment in the last three summers has a lot to answer for, but questioning those that are involved in the recruitment just isn't possible on here.

The reason Pellegrini cops for it, is that he can surely see that the players that he has got at his disposal aren't capable of playing the way that he wants them to, but yet he keeps playing them in that manner. But then people point to a league and cup double, so basically its a vicious circle that I don't think we will ever get out of until we offload a lot of the current players and bring in new faces who can play the way he wants them to, Whilst baring in mind that Pellegrini won't be here at the end of next summer, so the players we sign have to want to play for the club and not the manager

A fair and balanced reply.

I still think the manager needs to make the player feel wanted at his new club. Perhaps Madrid weren't the best example because they're one of the biggest names in football and the Spanish, Portuguese and South American players especially would jump at the opportunity to play for them. Pellegrini got the job there for a reason and was able to sign four extremely talented players. David Moyes publically courted a number of world class talents yet just signed Mata and Fellaini.

 

[chris85mcfc]

I think a player still needs to subscribe to what the manager plans for them. His Madrid team finished just behind the finest Barcelona side in years so he must have been doing something right.

If it's the players and DoF that ruined Mancini and the players and DoF that are ruining Pellegrini then there's surely only one answer?

I think our player recruitment in the last three summers has a lot to answer for, but questioning those that are involved in the recruitment just isn't possible on here.

The reason Pellegrini cops for it, is that he can surely see that the players that he has got at his disposal aren't capable of playing the way that he wants them to, but yet he keeps playing them in that manner. But then people point to a league and cup double, so basically its a vicious circle that I don't think we will ever get out of until we offload a lot of the current players and bring in new faces who can play the way he wants them to, Whilst baring in mind that Pellegrini won't be here at the end of next summer, so the players we sign have to want to play for the club and not the manager

A fair and balanced reply.

I still think the manager needs to make the player feel wanted at his new club. Perhaps Madrid weren't the best example because they're one of the biggest names in football and the Spanish, Portuguese and South American players especially would jump at the opportunity to play for them. Pellegrini got the job there for a reason and was able to sign four extremely talented players. David Moyes publically courted a number of world class talents yet just signed Mata and Fellaini.

Fair point, but perhaps that's the reason he only lasted a season at Madrid, maybe the big name players that they signed that season weren't keen on him.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

It was perez at madrid who signed the big stars, not pellegrini. Its why he suited us, because he gets on with his job of managing the side, unlike mancini who threw his toys out of the pram when he didn't get his own way.