Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[dobobobo]

Not sure if posted:

City Watch @City_Watch · 3h 3 hours ago
Daily Mail: Patrick Vieira has the support of City players to take over if Manuel Pellegrini is sacked this summer.

Vieira please!

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*borrows this*^^^^^^^

 

[dobobobo]

The players wanting Vieira would be something that should cause concern, not delight. If the players have any say in the next manager, there is something fundamentally wrong at the club with player power. I'm sure they are all friendly with Vieira but it should have no bearing on the appointment, which I still believe should be a world class coach because we are not yet established enough to be taking risks. We're nothing in Europe, closer to laughing stocks than serious threats, and a coach who can get us in the latter stages of that competition (while challenging domestically) should be the priority.

 

[BillyShears]

Each player is different, of course.

I guess we are are talking Toure, Nasri and Dzeko. These are the three Brennan pointed the club's finger at last week (and who all finished the game against Albion, by the way). Nasri, has some value probably but not worth the mood-swing hassle. Dzeko no, not with the "new" style the club has. Maybe I would like to see the old Yaya again under a different manager, or even in a different formation under Pellegrini. Keep Pellegrini and play the same formation and Toure should go.

But that isn't what i was saying. My point is that the players haven't downed tools, they aren't too old old and they are not less hungry for success, any more than they didn't/weren't two years ago (apart from the Cup final which was an almost perfect demonstration of how not to manage change). That characterisation is just one that suits the club (and when I say club, I mean Soriano. I doubt Khaldoon will say anything about that, or any major effect of FFP, in his annual review). There is more at play here, and that includes systems, formations, management decisions as well as motivation, confidence of the players.

As I said earlier, there are always two sides to any problem. The players have to take some responsibility, but so do the management team.

It's not about making excuses. It's about analysing the drop in intensity from last season and figuring out why. Obviously we did the double so that's two more trophies.

Let's skin the cat a different way. If you take the players who've underperformed - how many of them do you think would reinvigorated with a different manager and how many would you trust through another PL and CL campaign?

I guess where we disagree is with regards the players hunger. I don't think the club are attempting to lay blame. It's a fact that certain players have underperformed considerably. Anyone who's watched us knows that especially when guys like Neville get their computers out and highlight certain things in terms of work rate. For me this is partly due to their hunger. This for me is related at least in part to the time they've been at the club and the trophies they've won.

Two years ago they were a side who'd had one stand out season. They're now a side who've won two titles or four trophies in five years. Personally I think this will effect motivation as I say.

Another thing. We aren't Bayern or Barca or a club with a big modern history of winning things. There isn't that internal pressure to win yet. We need a decade of winning things regularly and a good few more trophies before we have that. People used to say Mancini gave us a winning mentality. I disagree. That mentality will only come with time. Having one amazing season won't do that.

 

[J_Bow]

The players don't choose the manager ffs, Txiki is angling for Pep next summer and if not then we'll probably go with Vieira as they must be happy with the work he's doing with the EDS squad and he's been here for a while now in different roles. I don't think Klopp and Ancelotti are what our guys upstairs want, same with Simeone.

 

[cleavers]

It best not be Vieira :(

Risky Risky move if so :(

Its not risky it would be bloody stupid IMHO.

The players "support" Vieira, according to who ? Some twitter feed, it'd be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous that people follow this shit.

If in the unlikely event that isn't just made up bullshit, then it really is the players who need to be moved on. However I doubt a single one has been asked, or given, an opinion.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I'll be annoyed if its given to the unexperienced, unproven vieira.

Our exec team are not gods, they have to accept that they have to work with people who don't completely fit their style, it's called life.

I hope they deliver the elite coach we need for the next stage of our development, regardless of their own personal preference.

 

[Phil1]

For the first time since the takeover one of the top tier of managers are attainable. If we choose to either keep Pellegrini or appoint Paddy we're off our heads and I'd question the decision makers for the first time.

Those who think that appointing Viera is akin to Peps first job at Barcelona are spectacularly missing the point that our squad isn't close, not even a tiny bit to the one he inherited at Barca. It's comparing apples and oranges.

Just go out and get Klopp. If he's given us any indication he'd take the job just get it done. I won't lie, personally I want to see my manager show the kind of passion and desire that I've seen so often from that crazy bastard at Dortmund. To have those qualities and still be a great tactician, and know the game inside out is a combination the other candidates don't possess and one that excites the fuck out of me.

Make the right call City - pretty please.

 

[robbieh]

I'll be annoyed if its given to the unexperienced, unproven vieira.

Our exec team are not gods, they have to accept that they have to work with people who don't completely fit their style, it's called life.

I hope they deliver the elite coach we need for the next stage of our development, regardless of their own personal preference.

To be honest why wouldn't they?

Txiki especially is under pressure after several distinctly underwhelming transfer windows. He knows that further poor performance will result in his dismissal.

So what would you do in his position?

Hire a manager like Ancelotti who will guarantee City do way better in the CL while at the same time challenging for the PL or employ someone who you think has potential but has no experience at the highest level? Want to save your job? It's a no brainer.

One only has to remember AVB to see how difficult it is to get the right man in. On the surface a guy who won the Europa League while remaining unbeaten at home and winning the domestic cup would appear to be Mourinho or even better but that's not how it turned out.

With Carlo you get one of the top three managers in the world. I know I am putting myself up to ridicule here as no doubt if Real lose tonight everyone will say he's useless on the strength of one game.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Fair enough I suppose, I just think it is more complicated than a few players not having a hunger for success. You think Zabaleta or Kompany are the sort of player to lose interest in winning? Silva? Aguero? If you add Hart and Toure that is half the first team who are struggling with motivation/ confidence/ form without even talking about Dimichelis, Mangala, Fernando.

Anyway, enough. We agree that performances have been below par, I can accept that some players may have lost some desire and hunger. I just think there is much much more to it, and that the management team must at least share resonsibility along with the players.

I guess where we disagree is with regards the players hunger. I don't think the club are attempting to lay blame. It's a fact that certain players have underperformed considerably. Anyone who's watched us knows that especially when guys like Neville get their computers out and highlight certain things in terms of work rate. For me this is partly due to their hunger. This for me is related at least in part to the time they've been at the club and the trophies they've won.

Two years ago they were a side who'd had one stand out season. They're now a side who've won two titles or four trophies in five years. Personally I think this will effect motivation as I say.

Another thing. We aren't Bayern or Barca or a club with a big modern history of winning things. There isn't that internal pressure to win yet. We need a decade of winning things regularly and a good few more trophies before we have that. People used to say Mancini gave us a winning mentality. I disagree. That mentality will only come with time. Having one amazing season won't do that.

 

[cleavers]

There isn't that internal pressure to win yet. We need a decade of winning things regularly and a good few more trophies before we have that. People used to say Mancini gave us a winning mentality. I disagree. That mentality will only come with time. Having one amazing season won't do that.

I disagree, there is huge internal pressure to win things, the owner doesn't want any season like this, its not good for business at the level we are at. Finishing 4th is a piss poor return on his investment (even of last summer), we still might not, but that is a potential banana skin all of its own, and failure to qualify then would be pretty disastrous,who ever is the manager. Of course its all speculation, we could still finish 2nd, and that might be enough.

However the owner and chairman will necessarily have a major inquiry into the goings on this season, it rightly won't happen till the season is over, no matter what discussions have already taken place with other potential coaches, but the internal pressure from Txiki down to Vieira is huge, and rightly so given what has been invested.

On the matter of replacements, one potential has pretty much ruled himself out, another just doesn't seem interested in our "model" no matter how much we could throw his way, one has signed a new deal, and doesnt fit the club anyway,another may be available we don't know, but the politics at his club won't decide, until its probably too late, and the rest touted are frankly caretaker's in all but name, and none of them give me any better feeling than the one we have already, not a great situation in my book, and one we have apparently backed ourselves into chasing a man who wasn't actually available anyway (and we knew it), just because he has mates at the club.

All that said the bigger need is a refresh of the squad IMHO, with the need for young hungry and ambitious players, who will put their reputations on the line, I think we bought one last year, and well see the best of him next season, he needs older heads around him, but ones that give a shit.