Same here, never said a bad word against any of them, but I will have serious reservations if they appoint Vieira, and I'm a big fan of his, and I really hope he one day turns out to be the right choice at the right time, however he isn't now.JoeMercer'sWay said:I'll be annoyed if its given to the unexperienced, unproven vieira.
Our exec team are not gods, they have to accept that they have to work with people who don't completely fit their style, it's called life.
I hope they deliver the elite coach we need for the next stage of our development, regardless of their own personal preference.
That last paragraph is the most important for me - big signings in key positions and the managerial appointment won't be as significant. I'd expect anyone worth their salt to be able to get us challenging.cleavers said:I disagree, there is huge internal pressure to win things, the owner doesn't want any season like this, its not good for business at the level we are at. Finishing 4th is a piss poor return on his investment (even of last summer), we still might not, but that is a potential banana skin all of its own, and failure to qualify then would be pretty disastrous,who ever is the manager. Of course its all speculation, we could still finish 2nd, and that might be enough.Mister Appointment said:There isn't that internal pressure to win yet. We need a decade of winning things regularly and a good few more trophies before we have that. People used to say Mancini gave us a winning mentality. I disagree. That mentality will only come with time. Having one amazing season won't do that.
However the owner and chairman will necessarily have a major inquiry into the goings on this season, it rightly won't happen till the season is over, no matter what discussions have already taken place with other potential coaches, but the internal pressure from Txiki down to Vieira is huge, and rightly so given what has been invested.
On the matter of replacements, one potential has pretty much ruled himself out, another just doesn't seem interested in our "model" no matter how much we could throw his way, one has signed a new deal, and doesnt fit the club anyway,another may be available we don't know, but the politics at his club won't decide, until its probably too late, and the rest touted are frankly caretaker's in all but name, and none of them give me any better feeling than the one we have already, not a great situation in my book, and one we have apparently backed ourselves into chasing a man who wasn't actually available anyway (and we knew it), just because he has mates at the club.
All that said the bigger need is a refresh of the squad IMHO, with the need for young hungry and ambitious players, who will put their reputations on the line, I think we bought one last year, and well see the best of him next season, he needs older heads around him, but ones that give a shit.
Pablo1 said:That last paragraph is the most important for me - big signings in key positions and the managerial appointment won't be as significant. I'd expect anyone worth their salt to be able to get us challenging.cleavers said:I disagree, there is huge internal pressure to win things, the owner doesn't want any season like this, its not good for business at the level we are at. Finishing 4th is a piss poor return on his investment (even of last summer), we still might not, but that is a potential banana skin all of its own, and failure to qualify then would be pretty disastrous,who ever is the manager. Of course its all speculation, we could still finish 2nd, and that might be enough.Mister Appointment said:There isn't that internal pressure to win yet. We need a decade of winning things regularly and a good few more trophies before we have that. People used to say Mancini gave us a winning mentality. I disagree. That mentality will only come with time. Having one amazing season won't do that.
However the owner and chairman will necessarily have a major inquiry into the goings on this season, it rightly won't happen till the season is over, no matter what discussions have already taken place with other potential coaches, but the internal pressure from Txiki down to Vieira is huge, and rightly so given what has been invested.
On the matter of replacements, one potential has pretty much ruled himself out, another just doesn't seem interested in our "model" no matter how much we could throw his way, one has signed a new deal, and doesnt fit the club anyway,another may be available we don't know, but the politics at his club won't decide, until its probably too late, and the rest touted are frankly caretaker's in all but name, and none of them give me any better feeling than the one we have already, not a great situation in my book, and one we have apparently backed ourselves into chasing a man who wasn't actually available anyway (and we knew it), just because he has mates at the club.
All that said the bigger need is a refresh of the squad IMHO, with the need for young hungry and ambitious players, who will put their reputations on the line, I think we bought one last year, and well see the best of him next season, he needs older heads around him, but ones that give a shit.
rickjl said:This obsession that Begiristain appears to have with regards to bringing Guardiola in as manager is pissing me off. The very idea that we could potentially go into next season with Pellegrini still in situ without having the backing of the hierarchy simply to run the clock down to Guardiola finishing his contract with Bayern is quite frankly absurd.
If the club want Pellegrini to remain as manager next season then back him in full. If as I suspect, they don't want him to remain as manager then sack him at the end of this season and draw up a list of candidates to replace him and if Guardiola is at the top of that list then offer him the job. If he says no then offer it to the next person on the list and move on. Pep Guardiola is not, and never will be bigger than Manchester City but Begiristain would appear to think that he is.
There was a feeling a while ago that Diego Simeone may have been available at the end of this season but we were told that he doesn't fit in with the vision of the football club, he is now no longer available. We know that Jurgen Klopp is available at the end of this season but we are being told that he doesn't fit in with the vision of the football club and he will soon no longer be available. We are turning our noses up at fantastic candidates who have achieved great things at other clubs because of some obsession with bringing in a manager who doesn't seem overjoyed at the prospect of managing City.
I'd be disappointed we'd let Klopp slip through our fingers (though I accept he may not want to join) but yes, including Pellegrini. I said weeks ago (might have been this thread or the other one that's gone) that the players are as much responsible for the serious downturn this year as the manager.Mister Appointment said:Pablo1 said:That last paragraph is the most important for me - big signings in key positions and the managerial appointment won't be as significant. I'd expect anyone worth their salt to be able to get us challenging.cleavers said:I disagree, there is huge internal pressure to win things, the owner doesn't want any season like this, its not good for business at the level we are at. Finishing 4th is a piss poor return on his investment (even of last summer), we still might not, but that is a potential banana skin all of its own, and failure to qualify then would be pretty disastrous,who ever is the manager. Of course its all speculation, we could still finish 2nd, and that might be enough.
However the owner and chairman will necessarily have a major inquiry into the goings on this season, it rightly won't happen till the season is over, no matter what discussions have already taken place with other potential coaches, but the internal pressure from Txiki down to Vieira is huge, and rightly so given what has been invested.
On the matter of replacements, one potential has pretty much ruled himself out, another just doesn't seem interested in our "model" no matter how much we could throw his way, one has signed a new deal, and doesnt fit the club anyway,another may be available we don't know, but the politics at his club won't decide, until its probably too late, and the rest touted are frankly caretaker's in all but name, and none of them give me any better feeling than the one we have already, not a great situation in my book, and one we have apparently backed ourselves into chasing a man who wasn't actually available anyway (and we knew it), just because he has mates at the club.
All that said the bigger need is a refresh of the squad IMHO, with the need for young hungry and ambitious players, who will put their reputations on the line, I think we bought one last year, and well see the best of him next season, he needs older heads around him, but ones that give a shit.
Including Pellegrini ?
I'd have Ancelotti over anyone.robbieh said:I suspect Mansour and Khaldoon maybe getting as pissed off waiting for Guardiola as we all are. And if you were them, of the following who'd you want?
Ancelotti
Klopp
Benitez
Sabella
Vieira
A guy who has managed Milan, Madrid, PSG and Chelsea. It sort of says it all really. Apart from anything else he's had to put up with Berlusconi, Perez and Roman. So working for our caring holistic club might be a nice change for him.