Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

[blueish swede]

Because they’re private companies and thus their sole driver is their shareholders. If they think not being associated with him is in their best interests then fair play. They aren’t de-platforming him, they are keeping his videos and removing the advertising no?

Isn't that a bit strange, though? If he had been accused of economic crimes, then stopping his revenue stream would seem an appropriate sanction. Wouldn't victims of sexual abuse be more disturbed by seeing his videos than over the money he makes from the ads?

I find it disoncerting that an MP has joined in the circus in the way that Caroline Dinenage has, I have difficulty understanding her thinking. It smacks of opportunism.

I also think Channel 4 and the Sunday Times should report the crimes they allege and hand over all evidence to the appropriate police forces. The anonymity of the victims could be maintained during any police investigation.

 

[kaz7]

Isn't that a bit strange, though? If he had been accused of economic crimes, then stopping his revenue stream would seem an appropriate sanction. Wouldn't victims of sexual abuse be more disturbed by seeing his videos than over the money he makes from the ads?

I find it disoncerting that an MP has joined in the circus in the way that Caroline Dinenage has, I have difficulty understanding her thinking. It smacks of opportunism.

I also think Channel 4 and the Sunday Times should report the crimes they alledge and hand over all evidence to the appropriate police forces. The anonymity of the victims could be maintained during any police investigation.

The last bit is happening , the police are looking at it

 

[Dax777]

It’s been very dangerous times for women to live in for… well, the entirety of human history.

If it is very dangerous times because slightly more men will be held accountable for their behaviour (not even substantially more, mind)—when historically almost none have been—then I think perhaps we need to reassess what we consider “dangerous”, why we consider it “dangerous”, and who is being included in “we”.

The issue is not whether more men who commit crimes are held accountable. It would be great if all did. The issue is if some are wrongly accused get convicted in the court of public opinion based on that un-personed. Stop pretending you don't understand the issue.

 

[Dax777]

Isn't that a bit strange, though? If he had been accused of economic crimes, then stopping his revenue stream would seem an appropriate sanction. Wouldn't victims of sexual abuse be more disturbed by seeing his videos than over the money he makes from the ads?

I find it disoncerting that an MP has joined in the circus in the way that Caroline Dinenage has, I have difficulty understanding her thinking. It smacks of opportunism.

I also think Channel 4 and the Sunday Times should report the crimes they allege and hand over all evidence to the appropriate police forces. The anonymity of the victims could be maintained during any police investigation.

I'm going to presume they are doing all of this.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

The last bit is happening , the police are looking at it

I’m not sure it is.
So far they have only had an allegation from 2003 referred to them.
The TV/newspaper allegations only went back to 2006.

 

[meltonblue]

The last bit is happening , the police are looking at it

Not quite, they’re looking into the new allegations. They’ve spoken to channel 4 and the times but there’s nothing they can do at this stage with their allegations.

 

[SebastianBlue]

The issue is not whether more men who commit crimes are held accountable. It would be great if all did. The issue is if some are wrongly accused get convicted in the court of public opinion based on that un-personed. Stop pretending you don't understand the issue.

I understand the issue. There is no data supporting that this is happening at any statistically significant frequency. In fact, the data supports the exact opposite.

So it is a false issue meant to hinder or avoid progress to men being held accountable for sex crimes.

You can’t base your arguments on emotions and anecdotal evidence. Nor can you say that increasing charge and conviction rates is untenable because there is a small possibility a man will be falsely accused and convicted.

If we applied that same standard to all enforcement, no law would ever be enforced.

Media reporting and investigation has historically been the main driver of accountability for men committing sex crimes, not law enforcement or the courts (they’ve largely protected the accused and punished the accusers), so I am not sure exactly what you are even advocating for.

 

[Kippaxpete]

What this highlights to me is just how quickly someones life can be turned upside down or completely destroyed by the media, i'm not for one minute saying he is innocent in all of this but it isn't as if he has been charged or found guilty of anything yet.

What if this all turned out to be people trying to destroy his reputation and nothing more, quite worrying how this can happen.

Who are these mysterious 'people' I keep hearing about? If you've some evidence that Brand is the subject of a concerted effort on the part of some shady cabal to 'destroy his reputation', I'd love to see it. No, I didn't think so. Almost invariably, the demise of a public figure is attributable to the simplest, most obvious, explanation; that being their own bad behaviour. I find it baffling that a significant proportion of the population feel the need to invent the concept of some unseen hand controlling every aspect of our lives. But then, this was exactly the schtick employed by Brand himself latterly to capture a ready-made audience of believers with his own brand (apologies) of nonsensical conspiracy theories. No doubt, he will continue to peddle this false narrative in an attempt to save his skin.

 

[Dax777]

I understand the issue. There is no data supporting that this is happening at any statistically significant frequency. In fact, the data supports the exact opposite.

How exactly would you cull such data? And what is significant? You are playing unquantifiable games here.

So it is a false issue meant to hinder or avoid progress to men being held accountable for sex crimes.

It's not a false issue. It's a request we keep things legal and evidence based. It's not an either conviction or accusation issues..Convict all the sex crimes. But convict!!!

You can’t base your arguments on emotions and anecdotal evidence. Nor can you say that increasing charge and conviction rates is untenable because there is a small possibility a man will be falsely accused and convicted.

I said nothing about the increasing chargers and conviction rate. Frankly, I said the opposite. I want more charges and convictions..What I oppose, is public opinion convictions on accusation claims..

If we applied that same standard to all enforcement, no law would ever be enforced.

You made up a strawman and argued against it. We do apply the standard of evidence and legal conviction to all laws.

Media reporting and investigation has historically been the main driver of accountability for men committing sex crimes, not law enforcement or the courts (they’ve largely protected the accused and punished the accusers), so I am not sure exactly what you are even advocating for.

See, so you've just claimed I was arguing against conviction. But in fact you are the one who is against conviction. You are the one who wants a different standard than that's different from the norm for criminal conviction.

Yet every other paragraph pretended I was the one seeking a different standard.

 

[mackenzie]

His gross behaviour was there in plain sight , after saville creeps like brand must be investigated , we cannot allow saville to happen again . A four yr investigations and several alleged victims suggests he abused his power of celebrity , the police will decide the facts , he has only himself to blame acting like he has for many years

Am i the only one who saw him on his time of big brothers big mouth , he acted like a pervy creep

I also watched him on that at the time.
To be honest I found him irritatingly manic and looking like he needed a bath so I stopped watching after a couple of times.