Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

It must just be me and my lack of interest in celebrities, but do allegations against a B lister really need this circus? He just does not warrant the attention given him
I think this is more another example in a very long line of men being allowed to abuse (or worse) women for far too long, and most of the reaction and debate is the seeming steadfast support Brand has from more men than many of us are comfortable with.

At least for me, this is less a topical debate and more an existential one.
 
I have always found that the people most uncomfortable with people facing consequences for their bad (or, in this case, horrific) behaviour are the ones most worried about eventually having to face consequences for their own bad behaviour.

“Do we really want to live in a world where any person you have sexually abused or raped can accuse you of sexual abuse or rape!?”

I'm sorry dude but that's just bloody perverse. A shocking take, that shits on all your 'mean well' posts.
 
It must just be me and my lack of interest in celebrities, but do allegations against a B lister really need this circus? He just does not warrant the attention given him
It’s not that status that creates this circus. It’s the face that he “freethinks” and tells disillusioned people how life is stacked against them.

These people then will defend Brand as he’s just like them and thinks in the same way. Therefore he can’t be a rapist.

Probably finished off with a bit of Whataboutery around Huw Edwards.

Mason Greenwood is fair game “because he obviously did it”, whereas Brand shouldn't be investigated. It’s a witch-hunt.
 
Of course not. All I’m saying is social media has already determined the outcome. Without it all you have is the telly and the next days paper. Social media speeds up the process ten fold and people make their mind up because of it.
That works both ways. There are plenty on social media who have already determined that he couldn't possibly be guilty as well as those who think he is.
 
I'm sorry dude but that's just bloody perverse. A shocking take, that shits on all your 'mean well' posts.
If you say so. I don’t see what is so shocking about it. I have genuinely found that to be the case. I did qualify it was my personal experience. And I don’t even think it is a particularly controversial take about people that are uncomfortable with other people facing consequences for the bad behaviour.
 
If you say so. I don’t see what is so shocking about it. I have genuinely found that to be the case. I did qualify it was my personal experience. And I don’t even think it is a particularly controversial take about people that are uncomfortable with other people facing consequences for the bad behaviour.

I do say so. It is shameful. And frankly worse than anything i've seen yet on this, including bigga and ancoats, and that's saying something. Absolute shocker. And not that I agree with the comment you were responding to btw, just that your reaponse is just that low.
 
I knew he was an unfunny **** masquerading as a comedian when I saw him on TV occasionally in the 2000s and have avoided any programme with him on it since. Having watched the Dispatches programme, it has reminded me how shit his act was. Why the fuck do people laugh at a succession of lewd comments made in a screeching voice while he waves his arms about. What’s funny about listening to some **** tell an audience what sex acts he wants to perform. There’s must be a lot of weird fuckers around who liked him that enabled him to become a Hollywood star. Just fucking bizarre. Noel Gallagher and Jonathan Ross must feel a bit fucking stupid today.

Comedy is subjective.
I reckon in 10/15 years time people will look back in disgust and bemusement how Jimmy Carr, Frankie Boyle and Gervais were ever considered funny considering how insulting, sexually crude they can be at times.
That’s why I find stand up clips of Brand being shared slightly disingenuous.
 
I do say so. It is shameful. And frankly worse than anything i've seen yet on this, including bigga and ancoats, and that's saying something. Absolute shocker. And not that I agree with the comment you were responding to btw, just that your reaponse is just that low.
So you think people that are uncomfortable with other people facing consequences for their bad behaviour are in the right?

I genuinely don’t understand why you have taken such offence to my post.
 
When did the law change from innocent until proven guilty to guilty until proven innocent?
 
I have always found that the people most uncomfortable with people facing consequences for their bad (or, in this case, horrific) behaviour are the ones most worried about eventually having to face consequences for their own bad behaviour.

“Do we really want to live in a world where any person you have sexually abused or raped can accuse you of sexual abuse or rape!?”
In fairness Seb, that in itself in a debate like this, is a horrible generalisation.
 
The Human Rights Act 1998

The act is intended to protect the rights and freedoms of individuals in the UK. One of the most important rights protected by the Human Rights Act 1998 is the right to a fair trial. The right to a fair trial includes the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty
 
In fairness Seb, that in itself in a debate like this, is a horrible generalisation.
I think it is a fairly accurate one and not at all controversial.

Notice I didn’t say “consequences for any behaviour”, I said “consequences for bad behaviour”.

I get the sense some may be reading something I didn’t say.
 
So you think people that are uncomfortable with other people facing consequences for their bad behaviour are in the right?

I genuinely don’t understand why you have taken such offence to my post.

It is not about whether they are right or wrong (ignorong the incorrect twisting of that btw) or who decides that, it is the personality trait and motivation you have attributed to it. The equivalent to accusing anyone campaining for social justice of really being a closet rapist looking to deflect their own accountability. Ffs how do you not see the ugliness in that.
 
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The Human Rights Act 1998

The act is intended to protect the rights and freedoms of individuals in the UK. One of the most important rights protected by the Human Rights Act 1998 is the right to a fair trial. The right to a fair trial includes the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty
He’s not been stopped from having a fair trial. He’s had the right to reply to the dispatches programme.

Should he be charged with anything, he will go to court and his case will be heard.

He’s neither innocent nor guilty as of now.
 

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