Do you support the RMT?

[Brewster's millions]

It makes the tax cut for bankers costing the treasury £7.3bn look almost reasonable doesn't it?

Quick question. Which party and which Chancellor introduced the banking levy in the first place?

 

[Vic]

Down with nurses - they don't even deserve a clap - well said Naill

"Every 1% pay increase would cost £700m a year". Well, that's chicken feed out of the £350m a week saved by leaving the EU, surely.

 

[Vic]

People in the private sector suffer just as much if not more than the public sector. No sick pay and can’t remember the last time I had a pay rise and told if you don’t like it fuck off someone else will do the job ...

I thought that was government policy.

The issue is that in hospitals, care homes, transport, someone else will not do the job at these pay rates.

(Are all the people in the private sector who haven't had a pay rise all on this thread? As the stats say private sector pay rates are 6% up.)

 

[bluethrunthru]

You have to ask why is it that the NHS cannot provide enough people to fill a shift but an agency can? Either the agency is paying the nurses/doctors more with better conditions or they're somehow godlike in their recruitment abilities vs NHS recruitment (which is very unlikely).

I don't understand why the government isn't looking for ways to defeat the need for agency work if it's costing this amount of money. I also don't understand why a pay-rise is unaffordable but imported expensive agency work is. It's these sort of stupidities that really are the reason why the NHS is falling apart and it seems no-one is accountable for it.

With public money and large scale organisations it's clearly just a cycle of feeding at the trough because as demand goes up agencies will just increase their charging rates. If the NHS is desperate then they know they'll pay it, it's easy money. In your example of £5k for a doctor to cover a single shift, what's that, 12hrs at £420ph??? It's just completely mental and that rate is well into footballer wage territory which shows how much these agencies are clawing in.

It's the same at my place though. I work for a very large UK company and our local management wanted to build a shower area in the toilets for cyclists in our office. They were quoted £10,000 for something that should cost say £1,000 at best? I'd of told them to get stuffed but it seems no-one did given the shower got fitted.

The NHS is no different, it will be paying costs which to most of us are quite simply unbelievable. And there are some people who refuse to examine these practices and just believe that we should pump unlimited money into it? It's completely mad.

From what I have heard said yes agency pays more per hour but more importantly a nurse can earn what they want when they want so they get a greater work/life balance and just as important if a shift ends at 8pm they get to leave - they are still not there at 10pm trying to finish off which helps mental and physical well being.

Probably the main reason they aren't looking to reduce agency workers use is

a/ Its privatisation of the NHS by the back door which is what they want
B/ Probably the owners of the agencies have Tory Party links

 

[inbetween]

Because it increases profits. Companies then decide if they want to pay the staff more or shareholders/bigger bonuses. The railways are saying to pay more they need to make more (that may or may not be true). I’m sure you understand this.

I think they should just give the pay-rises and increase ticket prices by 10% to pay for it.

They'll soon see where public perception truly lies on this failing system.

 

[Vic]

That’s some skill when we didn’t even spend £30bn on PPE!! Let alone on PPE that couldn’t be used. It was about £700m

Maybe he was hoping she's say we didn't waste £30bn on PPE, we wasted it on test and trace.

 

[Scottyboi]

Madeley won’t give a fuck he’ll be off to Xmas in his gaffe in Vence
On the French Riviera by the end of the week.

He one of your neighbours over there? Put it his toes for Mick

 

[Vic]

I think they should just give the pay-rises and increase ticket prices by 10% to pay for it.

They'll soon see where public perception truly lies on this failing system.

Ticket prices could rise anyway by over 10% to match inflation (which was not caused by pay rises).

As Avanti haven't got enough staff, you can't get Advance tickets, so advance fares have effectively doubled (more than that outside the offpeak).

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/how-much-could-rail-fares-increase-by-in-2023-and-why/

 

[metalblue]

Maybe he was hoping she's say we didn't waste £30bn on PPE, we wasted it on test and trace.

It depends how you define waste really. £29.65bn of that £30bn was money largely pushed back into the economy through employment, testing and renting of sites/equipment - so the money was redistributed to a degree. The much maligned app cost £35m. I’ve not doubt some people profited very well off the renting of those little tent things etc at the testing sites.

If you define waste as “value for money” then yes it was a waste as it didn’t return any measurable benefits beyond probably being able to monitor the prevalence and I guess mutations although cheaper methods could have no doubt been found. However value for money is very subjective when it comes to the health of a nation.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

He one of your neighbours over there? Put it his toes for Mick

Are you pissed?
This is gibberish.