What do you think would be a fair position for the government to take on this issue? Do you think think their current stance is the correct one?
Do you support the RMT?
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metalblue
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No, as I said in my earlier post I think what the railways and nurses are asking for is justified and fair. I do equally believe that both the NHS and railways need to change some working practices, however I don’t think the pay rises should be conditional on those changes.
Nellies left peg
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But if these changes are being introduced without being in a pay deal there would be cries of railroading theses changes without consultation and it not being fair. If it is incorporated into a pay deal at least both sides agree to them at the time
metalblue
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What I meant was the changes should be part of a separate conversation with the unions, management want it as part of pay talks because it’s the only time they feel they have any leverage. Unions and management should want the same outcomes, happy motivated staff, efficient and safe working practices and happy customers but it doesn’t feel like they are on the same page at all.
bluethrunthru
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Just remember - in that short window when it was not Raab's remit ( he's not a nasty bully - no really - 8 people are complaining for nothing ) Brandon Lewis sat down spoke to criminal lawyers and agreed a 15% rise in legal aid fees - they voted and accepted.
What we are seeing this month is all down to Government intransigence - I suspect that they are trying to play the hard man but also because interests rates are still rising and the economic damage hits us all ( M&Co have gone into administration today - our branch in town already has closing down sale signs in the windows ) and big bills are hitting us they want to claim that will all be down to the economic damage coming out of the strikes - they are that cynical
What we are seeing this month is all down to Government intransigence - I suspect that they are trying to play the hard man but also because interests rates are still rising and the economic damage hits us all ( M&Co have gone into administration today - our branch in town already has closing down sale signs in the windows ) and big bills are hitting us they want to claim that will all be down to the economic damage coming out of the strikes - they are that cynical
bluethrunthru
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They did waste £37 billion on test and trace though...
metalblue
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See my earlier reply to that one. It was £30bn (£29.3bn to be exact), they budgeted for £37bn but didn’t spend all of it. Most of the money (~£28.5bn) went on testing, which was on the staff and facilities at sites and tests themselves. When I had to take Mrs MB to one of these sites for a test it was absolutely rammed, an experience shared by the millions who used them I suspect. Did the testing help outcomes? Probably not, so in that sense it was a waste of cash. The rest went on the app (£35m) and them there was those folks who’d call you up and ask who you’d been in contact with at the first part of the pandemic and probably a few other odds and sods.
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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Every time you hear a Tory MP saying we can't afford to give workers a proper pay rise remember this:
Total wealth of Britain's billionaires
2012: £212 Billion
2022: £653 Billion
That's up over 3-fold.
The cost of meeting nurses’ demand for an inflation-busting pay rise: £1.6 billion.
The cost of Rishi Sunak’s bank tax giveaway: £7.3 billion.
Politics is all about choices, as it’s always been.…..
Total wealth of Britain's billionaires
2012: £212 Billion2022: £653 BillionThat's up over 3-fold.
The cost of meeting nurses’ demand for an inflation-busting pay rise: £1.6 billion.
The cost of Rishi Sunak’s bank tax giveaway: £7.3 billion.
Politics is all about choices, as it’s always been.…..
johnnytapia
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He’s everything Scargill wasn’t.
Calm, lucid and, crucially, he has the democratic mandate for a national strike.