Do you support the RMT?

[TinFoilHat]

You mean the workers?

Anyone that gets paid 5 times as much a day to do my job on a strike day isn't a friend of the workers. They are scabs.

 

[hampshireblue]

Anyone that gets paid 5 times as much a day to do my job on a strike day isn't a friend of the workers. They are scabs.

Good and I agree. I'm surprised the other unions didn't shange the agreement that all TUs had to agree. it's a tough one for the TSSA trying to handle what must be a difficult internal situation.

 

[Zubrman]

Just read all of that which fundamentally goes under the premise that there are no staff. What the ATO/ATP systems can do is deskill the job such that, just like DLR you don’t need a driver but instead a train captain or manager. DLR by the way is a good example where you don’t have platform screen doors (they are only in section 12) stations, it’s full ATO and in the UK. He also mention slip and slide and how drivers manage adhesion, modern traction systems on new rail vehicles do these measurements hundreds of times per second and change the distribution of power across the motored axles.

You also don’t need to electrify the whole network, but I do agree that new rollingstock would be required or at least more modern rollingstock on all routes which would lend themselves to be upgraded. Freight would be the biggest problem so drivers would still be needed for those.

There are problems with level crossings and other places where you have interactions with the public but those are already a problem with drivers present and you can’t stop a train on a dime, hence that’s why there are so many reported near misses. NR would love the opportunity to eradicate level crossing across the network but I do agree it would be very expensive.

It never fails however to amaze me how many SPADs there are in a given week and how many times the drivers excuse is that they didn’t see the signal or they thought it was green, so thank god for TPWS and AWS.

The main point about the DLR that I bring up when people mention them is the fact that they trundle around their network of tracks doing about 25 mph max. The tracks they run on are more or less boxed-in as the system wad built in modern times and keeps trespassers away. This is in comparison to the railway which has trains driving at 125 mph over a network that was built in Victorian times and is very accessible.

I am biased, obviously, but I wouldn't like to trust a computer to drive the train from Euston to Manchester and back.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Good and I agree. I'm surprised the other unions didn't shange the agreement that all TUs had to agree. it's a tough one for the TSSA trying to handle what must be a difficult internal situation.

It seems they are trying to conflate negotiations for management pay with the dispute we've just settled.

I can't work out why their GS has chosen to use our dispute as leverage. TSSA would have to ballot both their front line and management grades and it would be a failure.

 

[Vic]

The main point about the DLR that I bring up when people mention them is the fact that they trundle around their network of tracks doing about 25 mph max. The tracks they run on are more or less boxed-in as the system wad built in modern times and keeps trespassers away. This is in comparison to the railway which has trains driving at 125 mph over a network that was built in Victorian times and is very accessible.

I am biased, obviously, but I wouldn't like to trust a computer to drive the train from Euston to Manchester and back.

Can a computer see a cow on the line? Or someone? (Not that a driver could stop a train in time...)

 

[Zubrman]

Can a computer see a cow on the line? Or someone? (Not that a driver could stop a train in time...)

Zakly! (We may not be able to stop the train in time, but we can slam the emergency brakes on and blow the train's warning horn which might get the cow/person to shift their arse off the track in time.)

 

[Zubrman]

Zakly! (We may not be able to stop the train in time, but we can slam the emergency brakes on and blow the train's warning horn which might get the cow/person to shift their arse off the track in time.)

And for those that say a computer can react to that scenario and stop the train as quickly, can you imagine how many emergency stops the computer will make for every Sainsbury's carrier bag it sees blowing into its line of sight? (Other supermarket carrier bags are available.)

 

[hilts]

Driverless cars are with us, robotics are about to be a thing of wonder and AI will be used with most things in life(before it kills us)

And someone on Bluemoon asks if a computer can see a cow. Hahahaha.

Never change you mad deluded bastards:-)

 

[hilts]

 

[Vic]

And for those that say a computer can react to that scenario and stop the train as quickly, can you imagine how many emergency stops the computer will make for every Sainsbury's carrier bag it sees blowing into its line of sight? (Other supermarket carrier bags are available.)

Today, it will be airborne trampolines blocking the line.