Do you want Tevez to stay?

[mr t]

Re: Apology

I still can't believe he's done it - the selfish twat -and still wearing his Man City shirt when he got on the coach - yes got on the city coach - to leave the stadium.

Mancini should have stuck his fucking interpreter up his fucking arse and left him a few euro's to make his own way home.

Us fans aren't your fucking wife Carlos who it seems will take endless amounts of shit from you but still take you back when you apologise. We'll tell you to fuck off.

 

[Scooby Blue]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

Is saying "I don't need to warm up" the same as "I refuse to play".

It seems this is where the "misunderstanding" (if any) stems from.

At a minimum it seems Tevez ignored / refused a direct request from the manager to warm up ahead of being brought on as sub.

If you look at the footage, there is clearly a moment where Tevez moves to get up, but is told to stay where he is. i.e. Mancini is so incensed by his initial refusal to warm up that he has already moved on to other options + ruled Tevez out of not just Bayern Munich game but any further games while he is City manager.

In refusing to warm up Tevez is guilty of directly ignoring a legitimate request (i.e. grounds for breach of contract) and was probably motivated to try + score a point or two vs Mancini + undermine his authority.
But...this is not quite the same as "refusing to play" which is the ultimate act of selfishness / pettiness in a team sport.

I'm not splitting hairs, but just trying to get close to what the actual sequence of events / interchanges was.
Mancini is clearly livid (understandably) at having his authority undermined in front of the other subs + coaching staff by Tevez refusing to warm up.
But to then come out + tell the world's media that Tevez "refused to play" is perhaps not 100% accurate description of what happened.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

I actually think Tevez's story of events is correct. Looking back, he refused to warm up because he had already done so, and definately did not refuse to play. It's still inexcusable though. If the manager wants you to warm up, you warm up.

 

[Gizew]

Re: Apology

Revealed!!

Tevez refused to play because he does not want to be cup tied for his transfer in Januari to some Eurpean clubs

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

I think Mansour has probably had enough of losing big bucks on a host of players. I maybe in a minority here but it'll be really frustrating if they just wash their hands of Tevez without conducting some sort of investigation into the incident. I think it's now clear that the reason was Tevez felt he was ready to go on straightaway but Mancini wanted him to warm up some more of which Tevez declined? Which is a bit different from Mancini's events.

So why did Tevez say in interview last night that he wasn't readt to play physically or mentally?

You're talking bollocks I am afraid.

 

[bobmcfc]

Re: Apology

i have never ever had more respect for mancini than i do right now. carlos is a prick and he will never play again in our team.<br /><br />-- Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:52 am --<br /><br />

Revealed!!

Tevez refused to play because he does not want to be cup tied for his transfer in Januari to some Eurpean clubs

he played against napoli

 

[alera]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

I see some people are eager to believe his lies and bullshit.

He refused to play end of story.

Go ahead and believe kia spin.

 

[jonmcfc]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

Dear me the tevez lovers are back

 

[Longsight-memories]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

Is saying "I don't need to warm up" the same as "I refuse to play".

It seems this is where the "misunderstanding" (if any) stems from.

At a minimum it seems Tevez ignored / refused a direct request from the manager to warm up ahead of being brought on as sub.

If you look at the footage, there is clearly a moment where Tevez moves to get up, but is told to stay where he is. i.e. Mancini is so incensed by his initial refusal to warm up that he has already moved on to other options + ruled Tevez out of not just Bayern Munich game but any further games while he is City manager.

In refusing to warm up Tevez is guilty of directly ignoring a legitimate request (i.e. grounds for breach of contract) and was probably motivated to try + score a point or two vs Mancini + undermine his authority.
But...this is not quite the same as "refusing to play" which is the ultimate act of selfishness / pettiness in a team sport.

I'm not splitting hairs, but just trying to get close to what the actual sequence of events / interchanges was.
Mancini is clearly livid (understandably) at having his authority undermined in front of the other subs + coaching staff by Tevez refusing to warm up.
But to then come out + tell the world's media that Tevez "refused to play" is perhaps not 100% accurate description of what happened.

Ahha you were on the bench eh & heard it?? No thought not! so speculate all you want but the one who matters says he refused to go on..thats good enough for me. (would bayern,Milan,MU allow this no..and nor will we)

 

[Dubai Blue]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

I see some people are eager to believe his lies and bullshit.

He refused to play end of story.

Go ahead and believe kia spin.

Bizarrely, there'll never be a shortage of City fans willing to feast on Tevez's bullshit. Probably the same sort of people who'd repeatedly turn a blind eye to their missus cheating on them cos she always says sorry with a blowjob.