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Dominic Cummings
- Thread starter Paul1970
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My wife is ill, I have to work and four year old son who is autistic needs caring for, should I travel to my parents for help no matter what? Too bloody right I will.
Nobody who is screaming for his resignation knows the actual circumstances, that’s my point. Not sure if he even did go to Barnard Castle. I know it doesn’t look good for him but surely until the facts are known then all we have is a media witch hunt. Should Kyle Walker be sacked by City for what we know he all did? Should any company sack an employer if they know that he / she has broken lockdown. I personally think this is a media witch-hunt as he has made many enemies over the past 12 months and they do say revenge is a dish best served cold. Maybe all those reporters should also be sacked for not maintaining social distancing
We know the fact that he definitely travelled to Durham.
What do you say to all the families who contracted it, had similar concerns about their children and decided that they must follow the advice, as I've described on the previous page?
Were they mugs to just hope that they would still retain the capacity to look after their kids (as the vast majority with the virus - included the Cummings, did)?
Or do the Cummings just care for their kids more? Are they better parents for taking it into their own hands and ignoring the advice and statistics that said you'd probably be able to muddle through?
I'm not arguing that angle. My argument is the same as what Eds said, why should he be sacked, or hounded out, over something that other people have done and either fined or nothing done.
IF you had done something similar, would you expect to walk into work on a monday morning and be sacked for it?
IF you had done something similar, would you expect to walk into work on a monday morning and be sacked for it?
please don't make sensible comments on here, the screaming baying mob won't like it.
I'm not arguing that angle. My argument is the same as what Eds said, why should he be sacked, or hounded out, over something that other people have done and either fined or nothing done.
IF you had done something similar, would you expect to walk into work on a monday morning and be sacked for it?
Dazwar, you must seriously know that different jobs - especially ones with a public profile - and especially ones with a public profile that are at the heart of government and involved in devising lockdown policy - are held to different standards.
And that is without taking into account the government cover up about it.
Are you seriously arguing that it is the equivalent of a brickie doing the same and should be expected to be treated as such?
feedmpenzaandhewillscore
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I'm not arguing that angle. My argument is the same as what Eds said, why should he be sacked, or hounded out, over something that other people have done and either fined or nothing done.
IF you had done something similar, would you expect to walk into work on a monday morning and be sacked for it?
He was there in Johnson’s ear when the strategy and polices were being put in place for the Government's response to Covid.
If i didn’t follow a company policy that could harm the health of people around me, let alone an emergency law put in to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed I would be expecting to be clearing out my desk pretty sharpish. Why is is different for him?
meltonblue
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I'm not arguing that angle. My argument is the same as what Eds said, why should he be sacked, or hounded out, over something that other people have done and either fined or nothing done.
IF you had done something similar, would you expect to walk into work on a monday morning and be sacked for it?
This is such daft logic though, you have to take the role of the individual into account as well to determine whether a particular breach of the law can also class as misconduct for that person. There’s a reason why people that run driver awareness classes lose their job if they get caught speeding themselves, for example.
Worse than that though is because it has been deemed as reasonable that he could breach the law and it being accepted means that others will feel justified in doing similar. It also means the police and the courts’ roles of upholding the law is nigh on impossible.
It isn’t the same as if just anyone did it, the subsequent justification has thrown all the public messaging up to this point out of the window. The government themselves have said that already with other breaches of high profile individuals.
jitsubluedan
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Nobody who is screaming for his resignation knows the actual circumstances, that’s my point. Not sure if he even did go to Barnard Castle. I know it doesn’t look good for him but surely until the facts are known then all we have is a media witch hunt. Should Kyle Walker be sacked by City for what we know he all did? Should any company sack an employer if they know that he / she has broken lockdown. I personally think this is a media witch-hunt as he has made many enemies over the past 12 months and they do say revenge is a dish best served cold. Maybe all those reporters should also be sacked for not maintaining social distancing
I don’t think ordinary people who have expressed their outrage at his flouting of the rules are part of the media witch hunt.
People have lost loved ones and been separated from their families during the lockdown and are therefore, understandably annoyed that the same rules don’t apply to those in power.
The fact that Mr Cummings is a chief adviser to our PM and was involved in the lockdown strategy is the damning point in all of this.
Kyle Walker is an idiot but he has no input in forming government policy which affects us all on a daily basis and more importantly, he didn’t have Covid 19 so wasn’t putting anyone else at risk by travelling 250 miles to Co. Durham - not once, but twice.
I do happen to agree with you that his enemies have seized an opportunity to go for the jugular but by all accounts, he’s not a particularly pleasant individual and is quite disdainful of most people. He’s certainly always come across that way in his exchanges with the media. So, if you’re going to piss people off, they will take any opportunity to get revenge.
However, he’s put himself in this position by flouting the lockdown rules (whether the first time was justified or not), so he is the architect of the furore that arisen as a result of his actions.
As many have said, if he’d come clean and made some sort of apology, people might have been more understanding but it’s the lack of empathy with the sacrifices the majority of people have made - who no doubt were in similar positions, which makes the government response to this unpalatable. It comes across as ‘the rules don’t apply to us’.
PannickAtTheDisco
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Anyone actually agree with Dazwar?