Donald Trump

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

First and foremost I guess we are all blues which is our main allegiance to this board.
We hold this one single common denominater as blessed brothers in arms and everything else should be superflitious to the bigger picture.
But without a human desire for healthy debate most of off topic would be sterile and untennable and quite frankly boring.
There are some brilliant posters on here and all have a voice and a forum to express their views within our coc.
Blues from all walks of life and all educational standards.
Some express themselves elequently and their knowledge base of worldy goings on quite frankly are beyond reproach.
Some understand the concepts of a given debate but would not be able to express themselves in an artuclate enough manner to appease themore inrtellectual among us.

Away from the moon we tend to keep religions and politics on a back burner as neither are condusive to a pleasant evening out.
We are all different on a political non political religious level.
Some of these beliefs stem from being raised in a product of our own enviroment.
All opinions remain valid if the poster believes them to be so and never lose sight of this.

I'm drifting so with regards to the first paragraph.
Who determines then what a reasonable argument is ? Is it the person with the alternate viewpoint.
I saw little evidence of reasonable debate just folk getting themselves flustered followed by page after page of anger.

It's a passionate subject matter and I do not know enough to contribute on an even footing.
I personally think he will make a good president but has much to learn about politics and should keep his ridiculous arse away from twitter and social media.

Time will tell as it always does but he will protect Americans and keep them safe.
If that means antagonising a little north korean sausauge then so be it as he needs antagonising.
He has a brilliant business mind of that there can be no denial and a leadership quality that places him ripe for the job to hand.
The political pleasantries will come as time progreses but no more will americans live in fear with this man at the helm.
In essense he will take the good fight to those who will cause harm distress or angst and for that I salute him.
The amount of appeasment in our own society makes me wretch.
You wont imtimidate this man though and he is nobodies doormat and will get the job done.
He understands overnwelmingly the damage free trade has caused to his nation and will put america first.
For the time being unless I decide otherwise which I may or may not do god speed mr president.
I have seen little example of excellent debate over the last few months.Just a lets bash the daft Donald thread.
I would say it was the lurkers who were looking in that were left scratching there heads in total bewilderment : /

I understand little of the murky world of college votes but I do know he was elected by the populace to serve his nation.
The electorate knew what he was about and voted accordingly on the informantion to hand.
We would only know if they voted against their best interests if another vote was cast and that would be non democratic.
The system is not perfect but democracy should never ever be stifled just because it does not fit your own pernsonal agenda.
It's the same mate with brexit.No one gets the bigger picture.We voted to leave so leave we must.
It's embarrasing watching the huff puff and blow mentality of the brexit losers.

As for changing my mind about Mr Trump I may just do that but will allow a sufficient timeframe to decide and not just ten months.
You know what theres not a single poster on out moon that I dislike.I may dislike their pov's or religious persuation but not the poster.
I find it at time difficult to understand some of the statements the far left posters come out with but have no desire to analise further.

And while I am on my soap box rant which seldom happens I would like to discuss a part of the thread which I felt wrong at every level.
It is a reasonble question and I hope posters can come forward and enlighten me if my hypotsthesis is wrong as we do actually learn by listening to others.

How is Mr Web wrong in wanting to move out of an area that was predominatly asian ?
I do not just say this casually because I have grafted with asian lads for nearly two decades and splendid bunch you would not wish to meet.
But I actually agree with him not wishing to live in an area which he personally felt he was out of place.
In the street he described all the occupents had bought into that street and were asian.
Did they buy the houses because of the splendid accrington brickwork or the cute burlington tiles created from silurian rock
No they bought in to live among their own folk which is perfectly fine and i applaud them for their sense of belonging.
Did they go to a street in another borough to buy into a row of houses that were predominatly white english ? No they didnt.
Are they racists for not doing this.No they just wish to do what most human beings feel comfortable in doing and living in an environment similar to their own.

You could take this scenario to other areas like rochdale were a 1 mile radius of the centre is mainly asian.
Or Prestwich where our Jewish pals live in harmony together.
They are not racist but just desire this basic of human requiremnt that is a a sense of belonging.
Why do some people find this so difficult to absorb.I really dont honestly know ?
Mr Web decides to move to live among his own people and yet he is labelled a racist.So why not the asians and the jews ?
He has said he is no such thing so why keep labeling him as such justbecause individuals get frustrated on the thread.
In the interest of impartiality I do not have a shrine at home to mr trump or Mr Web and at all times remain impartial.
Feel free to hack me down in the style of Richard the 3rd.Or you could just clap me off the field of play.. ..Mabye not : /
Im off to the juke box.If music be the food of love !

And so Bigga fare thee well:
Thou never shalt hear Taxi any more on this imortant'e of threads.
Montjoy (Henry V)

Epic post.

Don't agree with a lot of it, but you made your point.

 

[Jazzcat]

I have no penchant for you telling me what is or isn't good for us as you mention you are non British.
No consideration should be given to losers.

The remainers lost and still you do not grasp the basics of democracy.Its not too difficult if you will only apply your mind lad.
Margins matter little.They lost the vote and should grow a pair.
Do you not believe in democracy Jazz ?

So this is your idea of excellent debate? I wish I hadn't bothered.

Being British has no bearing on one's ability to judge the quality of any future deals with the EU. You simply won't be getting a better deal, take it as my European judgement if you must.
And no, I don't really believe in democracy because too large a portion of the electorate nowadays seems ill-informed or ill-equipped to be considered as informed citizens.

 

[Bigga]

In the world you live in no.
So his business acumen's are borne of falsehood then ?

You're merely applying the glass half full/ empty scenario when it comes to Trump.

Do you know in poker if you have a hefty stack of chips, it's quite hard to blow the whole stack on one gamble. If, however, you make sizeable gambles over a period of time, with the help of people willing to reload you, you will eventually strike a run of cards that make you look like you're winning, without really taking into account the huge losses beforehand.

Donald's poker game is very deceptive.

 

[Jazzcat]

Not when some of you behaved like a pack of wild animals continually trying to bring him down.
I wonder why the thread got pulled..

Like I said it should be renamed the Daft Donald bashing thread..
Nil by debate and nil by manners.

Makes you wonder why Mr.Web is the one being banned then..he's all manners after all.

 

[Jazzcat]

I had just come on this thread after watching the excellent Hammers comeback against Spuds after noticing the alerts I had.

You, Sir Jazzcat, have given scathing reply better than I would have. I realise attention to detail for Trump supporters bears scant reward, so I applaud your patience in riposte.

Whilst not dismissing Taxi's questions, the nauseated repeating of clear evidence of Trump's behaviour should give clear and sheer illumination of his 'love for his country' as merely to read as 'the land of opportunity', the likes of which are not as obvious anywhere else in civil society.

There is nowhere else quite like the US where an actor (or a clown) can be elevated, democratically, to the position of 'leader of the free world'.

Quite astounding in reality.

LOL. I do thank you for the appreciation.

 

[jma]

Time will tell as it always does but he will protect Americans and keep them safe.
If that means antagonising a little north korean sausauge then so be it as he needs antagonising.
He has a brilliant business mind of that there can be no denial and a leadership quality that places him ripe for the job to hand.
The political pleasantries will come as time progreses but no more will americans live in fear with this man at the helm.
In essense he will take the good fight to those who will cause harm distress or angst and for that I salute him.
The amount of appeasment in our own society makes me wretch.
You wont imtimidate this man though and he is nobodies doormat and will get the job done.
He understands overnwelmingly the damage free trade has caused to his nation and will put america first.
For the time being unless I decide otherwise which I may or may not do god speed mr president.

This is a condensed version of the dumbed down rhetoric that has been allowed to replace, en mass, informed political debate in the US (and, to some extent, the UK - see Gove "people are sick of experts").

Tub thumping and 'strong man' talk have routinely been the stock of tin pot dictatorships and, rightly so, derided by the US and the West.

There is usually a decent, intelligent argument to be made for even the most unpleasant of mainstream Western politicians which usually relies on pointing out the differences in nuanced ideological differences between those that are for or against. It usually won't win over those opposed but you can mostly respect the political thought that underpins a position.

However, the sad truth about Trump is that dumb bluster stuff like the above is about all that there is that anyone can come up with - even experienced and savvy political commentators that find themselves temporarily supporting him for their own reasons. He is so bankrupt of political credibility or even basic decency that no-one can come up with any intelligent defence.

 

[Jazzcat]

In the world you live in no.
So his business acumen's are borne of falsehood then ?

What do you actually know of his business acumen? Also, how does he manage to bankrupt a casino? Not once, not twice but three fkin times!!

 

[west didsblue]

In the world you live in no.
So his business acumen's are borne of falsehood then ?

What business acumen would that be? The ability to make six businesses go bankrupt? The ability to inherit a fortune from his father and make that fortune grow at a lower rate than the stock market? The ability to get sued over a thousand of times for sharp business practice? Or am I missing something.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

So this is your idea of excellent debate? I wish I hadn't bothered.

Being British has no bearing on one's ability to judge the quality of any future deals with the EU. You simply won't be getting a better deal, take it as my European judgement if you must.
And no, I don't really believe in democracy because too large a portion of the electorate nowadays seems ill-informed or ill-equipped to be considered as informed citizens.

You said we had no idea how good the deal was for us.. ..Right you are dad.
You are very brazen to tell the British electorate what is or is not good for them young man.
They voted and won.

Your sincerely
The ill informed ill equipped electorate.

However thank the good lord your here to save us all Jazz..

 

[Bigga]

What do you actually know of his business acumen? Also, how does he manage to bankrupt a casino? Not once, not twice but three fkin times!!

It does bring me to fits of laughter remembering the well worn tag line that "the house always wins" has been remodelled by Trump's "being sick of winning"!!

3 fooking casinos where he couldn't learn a lesson to win!!

*smh*