Donald Trump

[buckshot]

I'm curious, how exactly does he want the best for his country?
By trying to undo any of his predecessor's legislation? By antagonising and threatening North Korea (via twitter no less)? By withdrawing from the Iran deal or the Paris agreement? By further turning people against each other?
Does Puerto Rico count as his country?

It's by giving billions in tax breaks to the top 1% and raising taxes on everybody else. Trickle up economics!

 

[Two Gun Bob]

I'm, somewhat, amused and bemused by the effort it took to write such a response only to sully it with the wish of leaving the thread without need of reply! You posed questions you seek no answers to...?

Hm!

Bizarre, but as you wish, sir.

Good day to you.

I never implied that.I merely have no penchant for argumentative diatribe on such a beautiful Wednesday eve as this.
Enlighten me if you so wish.I enjoy hearing alternative viewpoints that differ from my own.
It enriches the mindset and educates of the soul.

As for the effort expended I typed it with my big toe whilst listening to suppers ready from Genesis : /
Continue my friend:

 

[SWP's back]

You posed questions you seek no answers to...?

The old rhetorical question?

 

[Two Gun Bob]

I have to go to the TV room.
I fear he may have dissapeared to ask the soup dragon for help and assistance.
In fairness it was a bigga question.

 

[Jazzcat]

Alright, I'll bite.

Who determines then what a reasonable argument is ? Is it the person with the alternate viewpoint.
I saw little evidence of reasonable debate just folk getting themselves flustered followed by page after page of anger.

A reasoned debate can be had when someone brings more to the table than "He says things as they are", when he clearly doesn't, or "I like him".
Posting actual Trump tweets or reporting on things that Donald said or did isn't anger, although it may elicit that very feeling. It is neither a witch hunt or "fake news" but apparently that doesn't stop Donald or his flock from labelling any criticism as such.

He has a brilliant business mind of that there can be no denial and a leadership quality that places him ripe for the job to hand.

If by brilliant business mind you mean a serial shafter of his business associates, then yeah sure, I guess.
He's only managed to file for bankruptcy 6 times, 3 of which were for his casino's. And here I was thinking that the house always wins, just not when Donald is around, apparently.
Suffice to say that there are far more brilliant business minds about than Donald.

As for his leadership qualities, they are practically non-existent, as evidenced by the chaos currently enveloping the White House (constant change in personnel) or by his inability to pass any of the bills that he so desperately wants/needs. That's some real leadership right there, especially when you consider that the GOP have the majority in both the senate and the house of representatives..

The political pleasantries will come as time progreses but no more will americans live in fear with this man at the helm.
In essense he will take the good fight to those who will cause harm distress or angst and for that I salute him.

So a looming nuclear war with North-Korea, which Trump seems to find an acceptable possibility, is somehow supposed to make anyone feel safer? Or antagonising Iran instead of making/honouring a deal is somehow a good fight?
If anything he's adding to the fear by pitting Americans against each other.

He understands overnwelmingly the damage free trade has caused to his nation and will put america first.

I'm sure he does, I'm guessing that's why his MAGA gear is being sold by a Canadian company, or why the apparel line of both him and his daughter are being produced in China.
It's fair to say that free trade has caused some unintended damage around the globe but the suggested protectionist measures aren't the answer to those problems and being a hypocrite definitely isn't.

For the time being unless I decide otherwise which I may or may not do god speed mr president.
I have seen little example of excellent debate over the last few months.Just a lets bash the daft Donald thread.
I would say it was the lurkers who were looking in that were left scratching there heads in total bewilderment : /

Coincidentally, I've failed to see any of his supporters being able to come up with a decent argument for their unwavering support. We just need to give the man a chane, we just need to wait. All the while Trump proves, on a daily basis, that he is not presidential in any way, shape or form. You'd have to be seriously uninformed not to notice that, or you simply don't care.

I understand little of the murky world of college votes but I do know he was elected by the populace to serve his nation.
The electorate knew what he was about and voted accordingly on the informantion to hand.
We would only know if they voted against their best interests if another vote was cast and that would be non democratic.
The system is not perfect but democracy should never ever be stifled just because it does not fit your own pernsonal agenda.
It's the same mate with brexit.No one gets the bigger picture.We voted to leave so leave we must.
It's embarrasing watching the huff puff and blow mentality of the brexit losers./

Electoral college votes aren't exactly democratic. Donald lost the popular vote, so ironically, democracy was in effect stifled.

As for Brexit, I'm not British so I don't really care that you seem adamant on giving up on one of the best possible deals, namely the one that you already have with the EU.
I would say that, given the narrow margin with which the referendum was won and your immense respect for democracy, one would expect that you'd have more consideration for the objections of those "brexit losers", especially when you consider that this narrow margin was won on the back of a campaign that was rife with misinformation and "untruths'.
But it's your foot and you're free to shoot it.

Also, Mr.Web seems to think of himself as quite a big boy, so he can defend himself.

 

[SWP's back]

He has a brilliant business mind of that there can be no denial and a leadership quality that places him ripe for the job to hand.

That’s just not remotely based in truth.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

I have no penchant for you telling me what is or isn't good for us as you mention you are non British so your pov is of no interest to the debate.
No consideration should be given to losers.

The remainers lost and still you do not grasp the basics of democracy.Its not too difficult if you will only apply your mind lad.
Margins matter little.They lost the vote and should grow a pair.
Do you not believe in democracy Jazz ?

 

[Two Gun Bob]

That’s just not remotely based in truth.

In the world you live in no.
So his business acumen's are borne of falsehood then ?

 

[Two Gun Bob]

Alright, I'll bite.


Also, Mr.Web seems to think of himself as quite a big boy, so he can defend himself.

Not when some of you behaved like a pack of wild animals continually trying to bring him down.
I wonder why the thread got pulled..

Like I said it should be renamed the Daft Donald Bashing Thread..
Nil by debate and nil by manners.

 

[Bigga]

Alright, I'll bite.

A reasoned debate can be had when someone brings more to the table than "He says things as they are", when he clearly doesn't, or "I like him".
Posting actual Trump tweets or reporting on things that Donald said or did isn't anger, although it may elicit that very feeling. It is neither a witch hunt or "fake news" but apparently that doesn't stop Donald or his flock from labelling any criticism as such.

If by brilliant business mind you mean a serial shafter of his business associates, then yeah sure, I guess.
He's only managed to file for bankruptcy 6 times, 3 of which were for his casino's. And here I was thinking that the house always wins, just not when Donald is around, apparently.
Suffice to say that there are far more brilliant business minds about than Donald.

As for his leadership qualities, they are practically non-existent, as evidenced by the chaos currently enveloping the White House (constant change in personnel) or by his inability to pass any of the bills that he so desperately wants/needs. That's some real leadership right there, especially when you consider that the GOP have the majority in both the senate and the house of representatives..

So a looming nuclear war with North-Korea, which Trump seems to find an acceptable possibility, is somehow supposed to make anyone feel safer? Or antagonising Iran instead of making/honouring a deal is somehow a good fight?
If anything he's adding to the fear by pitting Americans against each other.

I'm sure he does, I'm guessing that's why his MAGA gear is being sold by a Canadian company, or why the apparel line of both him and his daughter is being produced in China.
It's fair to say that free trade has caused some unintended damage around the globe but the suggested protectionist measures aren't the answer to those problems and being a hypocrite definitely isn't.

Coincidentally, I've failed to see any of his supporters being able to come up with a decent argument for their unwavering support. We just need to give the man a chane, we just need to wait. All the while Trump proves, on a daily basis, that he is not presidential in any way, shape or form. You'd have to be seriously uninformed not to notice that, or you simply don't care.

Electoral college votes aren't exactly democratic. Donald lost the popular vote, so ironically, democracy was in effect stifled.

As for Brexit, I'm not British so I don't really care that you seem adamant on giving up on one of the best possible deals, namely the one that you already have with the EU.
I would say that, given the narrow margin with which the referendum was won and your immense respect for democracy, one would expect that you'd have more consideration for the objections of those "brexit losers", especially when you consider that this narrow margin was won on the back of a campaign that was rife with misinformation and "untruths'.
But it's your foot and you're free to shoot it.

Also, Mr.Web seems to think of himself as quite a big boy, so he can defend himself.

I had just come on this thread after watching the excellent Hammers comeback against Spuds after noticing the alerts I had.

You, Sir Jazzcat, have given scathing reply better than I would have. I realise attention to detail for Trump supporters bears scant reward, so I applaud your patience in riposte.

Whilst not dismissing Taxi's questions, the nauseated repeating of clear evidence of Trump's behaviour should give clear and sheer illumination of his 'love for his country' as merely to read as 'the land of opportunity', the likes of which are not as obvious anywhere else in civil society.

There is nowhere else quite like the US where an actor (or a clown) can be elevated, democratically, to the position of 'leader of the free world'.

Quite astounding in reality.