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FogBlueInSanFran said:
This is a job interview, not a court of law. He can be rejected plenty of reasons.

Some of you must hire people. So when a candidate comes in, has accusations like this thrown against him and behaves like an unhinged douchebag in the interview, you just tell him to sign on the line, I guess. Because he's the only qualified candidate and you're just that hard up and desperate, right?

This isn't about what's fair to him or to her, and I don't care. I need the best person for the job. It's MY job to find that person. Those of you who think this guy has been shafted somehow, do you work for a public company whose stock I can short tomorrow?
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It shows how rich, white men are given a pass.

I can't imagine I'd be offered a big job if there was their tiniest element of doubt I was a "little bit rapey" in the past.
 
Damocles said:
Let's have a look then.



"never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes" -- Judge

"Ms. Keyser said under penalty of felony she does not know me, does not ever recall being at a party with me ever" -- Keyser

Their argument here is over the word "refuted" rather than the idea behind the word. Semantic arguments aren't great ones usually but those two statements, for me at least, when thinking that he was speaking off the top of head in an extremely high pressure situation where he has been accused of rape on international TV, I can give him that one.

Verdict: Nope



The HuffPo authors and BK can have very different ideas of what "like that gathering" means. HuffPo seems to take it to mean "a party where people are drinking" which BK has never denied. BK seems to be talking about a party where people get sexually assaulted. I would argue that HuffPo probably know this aswell.

Verdict: Nope



HuffPo have messed this up. BK claims they didn't travel in the same circles and they dug up that his friend used to briefly go out with her for a few weeks in 1982 as a counter to this. That isn't what "travelling in the same social circles" means. A friend of mine briefly went out with Wayne Rooney, but I do not travel in the same social circles as Wayne Rooney.

Verdict: Nope



BK is literally the only person on Earth who could know this. Many times I have also been drunk and had a vague memory about the night before but didn't black out. This shouldn't even be a discussion point. It's unfalsifiable.

Verdict: Nope



I have to be confusing this because it looks to me like HuffPo has actually supported him.

The drinking age was 18 in Maryland for most of my time in high school, and was 18 in D.C. for all of my time in high school -- BK

The legal drinking age was raised to 21 in Maryland when Kavanaugh was 17 years old in 1982 -- HuffPo

Verdict: I think I've missed the point here so I'll give this to them.



Friends often have in-jokes, redefined terminology, etc. Also, one word can mean many different things depending on the context. There's no way to prove that Devil's Triangle isn't a drinking game and BK has several people who corroborate that it is. This is a really flawed argument to be honest; you can have 2 million people say that it doesn't mean a drinking game in their heads, but you only need a small group to say that it does for it to make sense. I used to play a drinking game called BlackJack. If you were to ask my Uni friends outside of the few who used to play along then they'd furiously deny this and say that it was a card game.

Verdict: Nope



Again, you can't ask other people what this person was thinking. It doesn't matter what a certain Georgetown Prep says he thinks it meant, it matters what the people who used it said that it meant to them. I can't even fathom how this could be considered an argument.

Verdict: Nope



They haven't even accused him of lying here so it's hard to judge this.

Verdict: Not even accused of lying.



My maternal Grandmother is a Jew. My step-Grandfather was a member of Mao's Government. These are all things that I didn't know about my family until late on in life.

To suggest that this is a lie, you have to demonstrate that there was a known and emotional connection between his Grandfather AND that his Grandfather pulled some strings which they haven't. They haven't even made the connection that the Everett Kavanaugh in the Yale yearbook is the same person as the one who was BK's Grandfather. There's more than a few people in the phonebook with my Grandad's name. Presumably yours too.

Verdict: Nope



Their point here is that Ford went to Feinstein in July. Unless BK is supposed to be stalking Ford, or Feinstein, or has some superhuman psychic abilities then I'm not sure how they're accusing him of lying here.

Verdict: Nope



But a note at the beginning of Judge’s book states, “This book is based on actual experiences.”

Yes, BASED ON. Like how West Side Story is BASED ON Romeo and Juliet. Or like how the millions of low budget crap horror movies that come out are BASED ON real stories where someone saw a chair move once.

Saying that something is "based on" experience is literally saying that something is NOT "actual experiences".

Verdict: Nope



Yeah he knew someone once, so what? He didn't claim he didn't. He claimed that he was surprised by these revelations and HuffPo have decided that a hill that they want to die on is whether they can "prove" that BK "wasn't really surprised". Good luck with that one lads, I'd love to see how you'd put that together if it wasn't in a shitty Top 10 list masquerading as an article.

Verdict: Nope



Again, they haven't even accused him of lying here. Only "picking his words carefully".

Verdict: Not even accused of lying.



Scraping up a quote from 12 years previously and then STILL not accusing him of lying.

Verdict: Not even accused of lying.



I'm presuming HuffPo thought nobody would bother to read this far down because they're AGAIN not accusing him of lying.

And once emailing discussing wiretaps in the aftermath of a terrorist attack doesn't mean that you had knowledge of a secret NSA program brought in 12 months later about wiretaps.

Verdict: Not even accused of lying.



Same again

Verdict: Not even accused of lying.



When I say that I learned about something "in the period that City won the title in 2012", it doesn't literally mean "AFTER City won the title in 2012". It's a vague recollection that determines a period of time and not an exact science.

Verdict: Nope



As above.

Verdict: Not even accusing him of lying.

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So I'll ask again, do you actually have any proof that he DEMONSTRABLY lied? Not "possibly maybe if you think about it like this" lied, but DEMONSTRABLY?

And please read it before posting. If you can see the holes in it then there's going to be a good chance that I can too as I'm actually looking for them.
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Good one. You not liking semantics pull the other one.
Also I note again with interest that you haven't actually answered my original point. Your whole tone has been one of defending BK and denigrating the multiple accusers.
I think, if have read your posts correctly, that you are against the idea that BK could be subjected to an unfair witch hunt but that does not really seem to illustrate itself as a two way street. Obfuscation froma potential lifetime supreme court judge. Yes, I know right to privacy. Still not good though. Incidentally for purposes of accuracy I think you have put "My verdict" just in case anyone is confused. As I say I am confused as to which point you have been making. It certainly does not come across as parity for all.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Trump doing what Trump does - talking shit.

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Surely what Trump is saying is a "LIE"? Are things that bad these days that we can't even agree that Trump's portrayal of Ford's testimony is so far from the truth that it is a LIE?
 
TonyM said:
Surely what Trump is saying is a "LIE"? Are things that bad these days that we can't even agree that Trump's portrayal of Ford's testimony is so far from the truth that it is a LIE?
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Trump is mocking her testimony, he is not offering a point by point rebuttal. To describe that as lying is naive to say the least.

If you want a point by point rebuttal there are many available on the net.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Trump is mocking her testimony, he is not offering a point by point rebuttal. To describe that as lying is naive to say the least.

If you want a point by point rebuttal there are many available on the net.
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You're right, it's probably not lying just him being vile as usual. Even if it was counted as a lie it would simply be lie number 5300 or so since he became President so it wouldn't be news anyway.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Trump is mocking her testimony, he is not offering a point by point rebuttal. To describe that as lying is naive to say the least.

If you want a point by point rebuttal there are many available on the net.
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He said she didn't know what area she was in. She said Bethesda in her testimony.
He said she didn't know where she was in the house. She said she was upstairs.

Aren't these lies by Trump?
 
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