Donald Trump

[Damocles]

A pretty good example of why Sh*t Show isn't fit to be POTUS.

He should be the perfect example of how you should behave; setting good examples for others to follow. Instead, he is a beacon for racist, sexist, homophobic arseholes who seem to believe that because Trump does/did it, then it's perfectly acceptable for anyone to do it.

Nobody should be role models for how to behave. That's an impossible standard.

Obama did drugs in his youth and bombed the hell out of a bunch of countries. Bush was an alcoholic. Clinton was a liar and cheat. However all were effective politicians.

You can't look at politicians like that mate. They're not role models, they're CEOs

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Nobody should be role models for how to behave. That's an impossible standard.

Obama did drugs in his youth and bombed the hell out of a bunch of countries. Bush was an alcoholic. Clinton was a liar and cheat. However all were effective politicians.

You can't look at politicians like that mate. They're not role models, they're CEOs

I don't expect them all to be paradigms of virtue, but they do need to at least try and uphold the standards for others to aspire to.

Trump sets a new low every time he opens his mouth, and I don't think we are anywhere near the bottom of the barrel yet.

 

[arfurclue]

Nobody should be role models for how to behave. That's an impossible standard.

Obama did drugs in his youth and bombed the hell out of a bunch of countries. Bush was an alcoholic. Clinton was a liar and cheat. However all were effective politicians.

You can't look at politicians like that mate. They're not role models, they're CEOs

Am not sure being a role model is what is being asked for - more a leader. Having said that is it possible to suggest that there are some
that may choose to lead by uniting, some by dividing (by this I don't mean opposites, more a scale in which some might have a tendency towards one end than the other). In
that sense, Trump might be leading in a way that 'enables/encourages' the kind of thinking mentioned?

Edit : ps what if a vote for a leader that tends towards division, is also a choice for tendency for a divided mind within that voter - along with the behaviours this may bring. In this way a vote for a leader who has a tendency towards union....
pps by union does not always imply sameness - as in an orchestra can be in union without the need for everyone to be playing the exact same tune with the same instruments..

 

[bluemoon32]

Trump seems to be more irked by the poor effort of the Khashoggi cover-up than he is by the murder itself.

Trump is saying that the real crime, as ever, is getting caught.

 

[Vic]

Feel free to fuck off if you find it difficult to handle

what? your wumming?

 

[arfurclue]

what? your wumming?

With respect - and am willing to be corrected if wrong - I sometimes have the impression that Damocles gets wound up by this thread - and then wants others
to be wound up, so that they can understand what he experiences from his side of the debate.

 

[Damocles]

With respect - and am willing to be corrected if wrong - I sometimes have the impression that Damocles gets wound up by this thread - and then wants others
to be wound up, so that they can understand what he experiences from his side of the debate.

Pretty much. At times I want people to understand what it's like to argue with people who have decided before they've heard. It's how I feel a ton of time about Trump issues and had the idea that if they'd see the other side then we'd meet in the middle which is generally what has happened.

However I generally do so in such an over the top way that it's hard to mistake it. I wasn't winding any one up there. The idea that someone assaulted someone else because of Trump is nonsense.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Bomb to Soros.
Bomb to H Clinton and Obama (according to Secret Service).
Apparently bomb to Brennan c/o CNN.

Someone's starting a campaign. Doesn't seem a great time to do it, unless you want to strengthen one side's voting.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Nobody should be role models for how to behave. That's an impossible standard.

Obama did drugs in his youth and bombed the hell out of a bunch of countries. Bush was an alcoholic. Clinton was a liar and cheat. However all were effective politicians.

You can't look at politicians like that mate. They're not role models, they're CEOs

Trump was a fucking god-awful CEO when he was actually a CEO (of multiple companies).

Also, personal choices inform professional choices sometimes. And Americans can hack them for it -- remember John Edwards?

You may be right that Presidents aren't role models for the people they govern. But they have been for future Presidents. Washington's decision to step down after two terms set the precedent for every President until FDR -- the peaceful transition -- and was probably his most underrated contribution to American-style democracy.

One of my concerns about the current climate now is how I think Trump will be a role model for poli-speak going forward because it has been so effective.

 

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Bomb to Soros.
Bomb to H Clinton and Obama (according to Secret Service).
Apparently bomb to Brennan c/o CNN.

Someone's starting a campaign. Doesn't seem a great time to do it, unless you want to strengthen one side's voting.

I wonder what Don's response to this will be..?

I'm going for blaming Antifa/The left/The Feds, for sending obvious fake bombs, as false-flag attacks.