Donald Trump

[DrBlueBob]

I retired at 25

Good skills.

 

[Bigga]

Many of us have posted about his fraud and why he is desperate to stay in office at length, mate.

And even though capitalism is itself a sham in many ways, that doesn’t make Trump any less of a ‘Snake Oil salesmen’ — the frauds are not mutually exclusive.

But let’s try to keep this thread about Trump, about Trump, yeah? :-)

Got it.

So how did manage to game the system and how did the US allow him to become the top dog...?

I mean, I guess he didn't write the tax laws or make 82% of the Bush tax cute era permanent, right...?

Am I doing it right...?

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Got it.

So how did manage to game the system and how did the US allow him to become the top dog...?

I mean, I guess he didn't write the tax laws or make 82% of the Bush tax cute era permanent, right...?

Am I doing it right...?

What you need to be asking is how did the likes of Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, et al quickly do a U-turn on their opinion of him and go from total opposition to total and unequivocal support?

Now you may scream conspiracy theory at this point (and we've been round this buoy an number of times), but there are genuine concerns that Trump is somehow compromised by a foreign State actor (possibly more than one). Obviously, the US intel services (and no doubt other countries) will have a lot more information on this, but there is certainly plenty of open source reporting, and a number of well referenced books on the subject (Seth Abrahamson's Proof series of note), documenting the tangled web of foreign contacts and cover-ups in relation to Trump/Russia/Saudi/Turkey (and others), and the build up to the 2016 Election.

I don't think just Trump is compromised either. Given the U-turns noted above, it would not be surprising at all to lean that one or all of those mentioned where caught up in the same net.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Has any other president had a 400k salary?
If not then it's not a lie

Beat me to it, if he was a clever in positive things as he is in lying he truly would be tremendous.

 

[Bigga]

You are entitled to your opinion but I never said ANTIFA are the main threat to America's national security like you are implying. I said they are just as much of an issue. Meaning they pose just as much of an issue. Not more of a threat to national security, as much of an issue. The far right and far left both have assault rifles and are both violent. Thats an issue.

You cannot JOIN 'ANTIFA', but you can be 'ANTIFA'.

You can JOIN the 'KKK' and be in the 'KKK'.

You can JOIN an idea but you can't walk into its headquarters!

The 'ANTIFA' League is a collection of ever changing groups (a movement) with ideals against... fascism, hence their name being 'anti'.

The 'Ku KLUX Klan' is a club you get a membership to, have rallies with and toast marshmallows against burning crosses with your fellow Good Ol' Boys..

Are we noting the subtle differences, yet??

Fucking hell...

*edit made as unsure why the post attached a much earlier comment about another post.

 

[Bigga]

What you need to be asking is how did the likes of Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, et al quickly do a U-turn on their opinion of him and go from total opposition to total and unequivocal support?

Now you may scream conspiracy theory at this point (and we've been round this buoy an number of times), but there are genuine concerns that Trump is somehow compromised by a foreign State actor (possibly more than one). Obviously, the US intel services (and no doubt other countries) will have a lot more information on this, but there is certainly plenty of open source reporting, and a number of well referenced books on the subject (Seth Abrahamson's Proof series of note), documenting the tangled web of foreign contacts and cover-ups in relation to Trump/Russia/Saudi/Turkey (and others), and the build up to the 2016 Election.

I don't think just Trump is compromised either. Given the U-turns noted above, it would not be surprising at all to lean that one or all of those mentioned where caught up in the same net.

Nice side step.

The U-turns for #45 are as every bit (ir)relevant as Harris and co U-turns for Biden; political lifelines, clinging on to the one with more power.

There is yet to be anything conclusive on Russian involvement and if there is, why hasn't it shown up in his tax report?? I'm not saying he isn't beholden to some foreign actors, but all presidents are seemingly beholden, which is why they do 'favours' or better arms deals with these places.

Again, so how did he manage to game the system in order to be in the hot seat??

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I retired at 25

Lucky barsteward.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

You are entitled to your opinion but I never said ANTIFA are the main threat to America's national security like you are implying. I said they are just as much of an issue. Meaning they pose just as much of an issue. Not more of a threat to national security, as much of an issue. The far right and far left both have assault rifles and are both violent. Thats an issue.

Where is this Far-Left you keep banging on about?

Far-Left to me is Communism, and as far as I can tell NOBODY is calling for communism.

The left in this debate are calling for more transparency, inclusivity and fairness. You most certainly can't say that about the Far-Right protagonists.

 

[SWP's back]

 

[west didsblue]

Added to the $413m inherited from his father is the $427m he made from “The Apprentice”. So that’s $840m he’s pissed up the wall along with the hundreds of millions in loans that his business have had from numerous banks. It’s staggering he’s got away with it. He will go down as the biggest con man in history.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Nice side step.

The U-turns for #45 are as every bit (ir)relevant as Harris and co U-turns for Biden; political lifelines, clinging on to the one with more power.

There is yet to be anything conclusive on Russian involvement and if there is, why hasn't it shown up in his tax report?? I'm not saying he isn't beholden to some foreign actors, but all presidents are seemingly beholden, which is why they do 'favours' or better arms deals with these places.

Again, so how did he manage to game the system in order to be in the hot seat??

Deutsche Bank loans ring any bells?

It is undisputed that Trump was seeking to invest in Russia. It is undisputed that Trump made upwards of $2.3m on the Miss Universe contest in Moscow.

Don and Eric are on record as claiming they 'have all the money they need' coming out of Russia.

These are not tenuous links.

If that money IS from Putin as has been reported, then there is more than enough leverage to make Trump a 'useful idiot' for Russia.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Brilliantly summed up

 

[kaz7]

Just another great summary of what most of us have been saying in here for ages.

I am disappointed , i thought she was going to do the full pointing to the exits routine

 

[Bigga]

Deutsche Bank loans ring any bells?

I is undisputed that Trump was seeking to invest in Russia. It is undisputed that Trump made upwards of $2.3m on the Miss Universe contest in Moscow.

Don and Eric are on record as claiming they 'have all the money they need' coming out of Russia.

These are not tenuous links.

If that money IS from Putin as has been reported, then there is more than enough leverage to make Trump a 'useful idiot' for Russia.

We know all this. This is nothing new.

So, if it's nothing new, how is it he hasn't been impeached over such 'clear' evidence or have the Dems not crossed that path yet...?

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

We know all this. This is nothing new.

So, if it's nothing new, how is it he hasn't been impeached over such 'clear' evidence or have the Dems not crossed that path yet...?

He's been impeached by the House, and he'd likely be impeached again, but the Dem's know full well there isn't a hope in hell of removing him from office with the current Senate and AG in place.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Added to the $413m inherited from his father is the $427m he made from “The Apprentice”. So that’s $840m he’s pissed up the wall along with the hundreds of millions in loans that his business have had from numerous banks. It’s staggering he’s got away with it. He will go down as the biggest con man in history.

Surely he'd have paid a fair degree of tax on the Apprentice cash?!

 

[SWP's back]

Surely he'd have paid a fair degree of tax on the Apprentice cash?!

He did but then he received an $80m rebate when every other business lost money. That’s why he’s paid no tax at all in 11 of the last 18 years.

Though the IRS are now challenging that rebate as per NYT yesterday.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Surely he'd have paid a fair degree of tax on the Apprentice cash?!

He has filed losses every year so in the years he makes money he just writes off assets and throws in extra costs - files losses so no tax paid.

The question is - does he declare all his income and are all the costs and write off's legit. The answer will be no and its a matter of time before he ends up in a court answering questions on it.

Looks like Ivanka was party to some dodgy deals.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

He did but then he received an $80m rebate when every other business lost money. That’s why he’s paid no tax at all in 11 of the last 18 years.

Though the IRS are now challenging that rebate as per NYT yesterday.

I had intended it to be ironic - I knew about the rebate issue.

I was on holiday a few years back and an American there said it was common knowledge he'd been bailed out by Chinese and Russian interest at various times. I'd like a chance at losing $400M, just let me at it!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

He has filed losses every year so in the years he makes money he just writes off assets and throws in extra costs - files losses so no tax paid.

The question is - does he declare all his income and are all the costs and write off's legit. The answer will be no and its a matter of time before he ends up in a court answering questions on it.

Looks like Ivanka was party to some dodgy deals.

I know I've seen it reported (might have been NYT or Washington Post, but it was a fair while ago) that he insisted on upping the value of his properties so it was always 'most' on some scale.