Donald Trump

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Well I apologise if I have misunderstood your position.

I thought the opposite.

Let’s move on from it and get back to Trump and his supporters being wankers.

Thank fuck for that

 

[west didsblue]

You can say I’m digging needlessly but it doesn’t make you correct.

This derailment happened, because you and @west didsblue and others, have used the US crisis to attack our government.

Stop doing it and the conversation will return to what it’s supposed to be.

And just to conclude, The UK has a bigger presence on the global stage, I love Ireland but it’s true, if our Foreign Secretary said something controversial, especially against a NATO ally, it has greater consequences for NATO in the world.

When Trump was criticising NATO two years ago, we were all up in arms about how he’s undermining it. The situation is the same for us.

Mate you have totally misunderstood me then, and misrepresented what I have said. I have not attacked our govt. I think they have done a great job and I wholly support them speaking up. It was the right thing to do, and vital that we did.

Is that clear to you now?

...and neither have I.

Johnson has said and done exactly the right thing.
I was commenting on your defence of Patel who had been inexplicably skirting around the issue.

If the latest quotes attributed to her are correct (although they are not backed up entirely by the clip on the BBC website) then your defence of her previous stance was incorrect.

 

[Ban-jani]

...and neither have I.

Johnson has said and done exactly the right thing.
I was commenting on your defence of Patel who had been inexplicably skirting around the issue.

If the latest quotes attributed to her are correct (although they are not backed up entirely by the clip on the BBC website) then your defence of her previous stance was incorrect.

Your last line is correct, I don’t want our entire cabinet commenting on it Willy Nilly, I want them to unite behind a PM statement.

I think this has ran its course, it’s not important in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I think the key difference between Trump and Hitler (other than Hitler’s significantly better dress sense) is simply one of opportunity. If the American Constitution, however flawed, wasn’t significantly more robust in protecting democracy and the rule of law than Germany in the early 1930’s then there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that Trump would have followed a similar path to Hitler. Not in terms of mass genocide against Jews, of course, but he would have found another target for his hatred and bile - and he would have suppressed dissent to a similar extent. Don’t forget that Hitler’s views around the cancer of Jewish influence was as rooted in reality as Trump’s stated views on the election result. Both lacked any form of objective analysis, or real evidence, and were, instead, founded in severe paranoia and hatred. Both were/are completely deluded and clinically insane. Both were/are utterly malign.

So for me, the only material difference is opportunity.

Once the Nazis had control of the Reichstag they were able to tear up the rule of law and replace it with their own. The frightening thing was that seemingly a large part of the Senate could be relied on to do Trump's bidding and there was a conservative majority in the Supreme Court, where appointees in the last 4 years were avowedly political.

I suspect it's less the case that the US Constitution was more robust (it probably is) but that it thankfully hasn't needed to be tested to the full extent.

In 2018 I was in DC and visited the Holocaust Museum. While it didn't have the gut-wrenching impact that seeing Auschwitz-Birkenau had, there was an excellent section on the rise of the Nazi party and it was striking how many parallels there were to the current day. Even 'Make America Great Again' is derived from Nazi-speak. As someone pointed out, Wednesday in the US was the equivalent of the 1923 Munich 'Beer Hall' Putsch. Its failure was not the end of the road for Hitler and the Nazis but just the start of the road that led to WW2 and the Holocaust.

 

[BobKowalski]

Well I apologise if I have misunderstood your position.

I thought the opposite.

Let’s move on from it and get back to Trump and his supporters being wankers.

I thought we weren’t attacking the UK Govt? Big fans of Trump, literally spent four years fawning over him.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Fuck me, our PM put out a statement and condemned it.

It isn’t Patel’s job and she would have been briefed to leave it to the PM.

Why can’t people get this into their heads?

Johnson did. It is not about who's job. She was asked a direct question. This goes beyond protocol. I expect all politicians, none politicians, friends and acquaintances to condem fascism. Not hard is it?

 

[Ban-jani]

Once the Nazis had control of the Reichstag they were able to tear up the rule of law and replace it with their own. The frightening thing was that seemingly a large part of the Senate could be relied on to do Trump's bidding and there was a conservative majority in the Supreme Court, where appointees in the last 4 years were avowedly political.

I suspect it's less the case that the US Constitution was more robust (it probably is) but that it thankfully hasn't needed to be tested to the full extent.

In 2018 I was in DC and visited the Holocaust Museum. While it didn't have the gut-wrenching impact that seeing Auschwitz-Birkenau had, there was an excellent section on the rise of the Nazi party and it was striking how many parallels there were to the current day. Even 'Make America Great Again' is derived from Nazi-speak. As someone pointed out, Wednesday in the US was the equivalent of the 1923 Munich 'Beer Hall' Putsch. Its failure was not the end of the road for Hitler and the Nazis but just the start of the road that led to WW2 and the Holocaust.

On your last point it’s important to remember that whilst Trump’s mob failed the other day, it doesn’t mean it’s over.

The Munich Beer Hall Putsch failed and Hitler went to prison and was a laughing stock, I’d argue following this week Trump isn’t in a position as bad as that, and whilst he may hopefully face criminal charges, he’s not as far away from power as Hitler was after 1923.

Of course the death of Hindenburg was timely and he needed a lot of luck but the coup failing this week isn’t the end of it.

Not for a second do I think this could possibly end in even close to the same situation as WW2 and the Holocaust, but it’s still a very bad situation.

 

[Ban-jani]

I thought we weren’t attacking the UK Govt? Big fans of Trump, literally spent four years fawning over him.

You can always count on someone to continue to ruin a thread.

Well done Bob but you know full well we were just being allies to our biggest ally.

 

[Ban-jani]

Johnson did. It is not about who's job. She was asked a direct question. This goes beyond protocol. I expect all politicians, none politicians, friends and acquaintances to condem fascism. Not hard is it?

Not sure if you’ve followed the thread but it’s been reported she did speak out.

It is absolutely about who’s job it is though.

The PM needs to be the one putting out statements for a situation like this.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Not sure if you’ve followed the thread but it’s been reported she did speak out.

It is absolutely about who’s job it is though.

The PM needs to be the one putting out statements for a situation like this.

And others disagree with that opinion. I do, for one.

How about everyone just dropping the subject? It's achieving nothing at all.