Donald Trump

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Wow. "Strong man", "brown shirts", all without calling Trump a fascist.

Maddow is an erudite intellectual: MSNBC are lucky to have her as host.

I've not had the chance to read her book "Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism" but I plan to before year's end.

There's a fascinating and vastly under-reported history about America's flirtation with fascism. Just prior to WWII a growing faction of Americans, including heroic figures such as Charles Lindbergh, were openly in support of Hitler and his nationalist ideas including the belief in racial purity and the role that eugenics could play towards the betterment of society.

Those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Trump's rise to power and the threat that it may portend - is ample reason to read Maddow's book.

 

[KS55]

Maddow is an erudite intellectual: MSNBC are lucky to have her as host.

I've not had the chance to read her book "Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism" but I plan to before year's end.

There's a fascinating and vastly under-reported history about America's flirtation with fascism. Just prior to WWII a growing faction of Americans, including heroic figures such as Charles Lindbergh, were openly in support of Hitler and his nationalist ideas including the belief in racial purity and the role that eugenics could play towards the betterment of society.

Those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Trump's rise to power and the threat that it may portend - is ample reason to read Maddow's book.

Britain was much the same.

 

[SWP's back]

Britain was much the same.

A very very diluted version.

 

[domalino]

Maddow is an erudite intellectual: MSNBC are lucky to have her as host.

I've not had the chance to read her book "Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism" but I plan to before year's end.

There's a fascinating and vastly under-reported history about America's flirtation with fascism. Just prior to WWII a growing faction of Americans, including heroic figures such as Charles Lindbergh, were openly in support of Hitler and his nationalist ideas including the belief in racial purity and the role that eugenics could play towards the betterment of society.

Those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Trump's rise to power and the threat that it may portend - is ample reason to read Maddow's book.

Britain was much the same.

A very very diluted version.

Everywhere was the same. It all stems from people distorting On the origin of species and the scientific boom of the late 19th century. It gave people a reason to shrug off christian ideas about men being equal, created heirarchies and introduced the idea that all organisms are in a fight against each other for finite resources, all of which was used to justify some of the most evil things imaginable, all done by people who were firmly convinced they were on the right side of history and doing good.

I think it's a topic we don't see taught or talked about enough - the general understanding of movements like Trump's would be much better understood if people knew more about the intellectual state that lead to Nazism emerging as well as the economic and poltical stuff we are taught about.

 

[Vic]

A very very diluted version.

Hardly. Probably more of an issue in Britain than in the States. Socialists and Jews (and Jewish Socialists) against the Blackshirts.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

The Republican party is getting exactly what it deserves. With Trump now in control of the Republican National Committee, having installed his hand-picked lackey to lead the organization and his daughter-in-law as co-chair, there's little doubt as to where most Republican funds are headed - it's to benefit Trump, including payment of his enormous legal bills.

Republicans running for political office are likely to see reduced - or perhaps very reduced - funding from the RNC and this will impact their ability to win election in 2024.

There is two issues here. The decent Republicans will see what is going on and down tools. The maga idiots will fill the space and they won't have the experience or intelligence to do a good job. That is on top of the draining of cash out of the machine.

The net result will be a significant deterioration in the ground game and the grass roots political activity. Its unprecedented and another factor adding to the unknowns of this race.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Maddow is an erudite intellectual: MSNBC are lucky to have her as host.

I've not had the chance to read her book "Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism" but I plan to before year's end.

There's a fascinating and vastly under-reported history about America's flirtation with fascism. Just prior to WWII a growing faction of Americans, including heroic figures such as Charles Lindbergh, were openly in support of Hitler and his nationalist ideas including the belief in racial purity and the role that eugenics could play towards the betterment of society.

Those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Trump's rise to power and the threat that it may portend - is ample reason to read Maddow's book.

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[jim tolmies perm]

Everywhere was the same. It all stems from people distorting On the origin of species and the scientific boom of the late 19th century. It gave people a reason to shrug off christian ideas about men being equal, created heirarchies and introduced the idea that all organisms are in a fight against each other for finite resources, all of which was used to justify some of the most evil things imaginable, all done by people who were firmly convinced they were on the right side of history and doing good.

I think it's a topic we don't see taught or talked about enough - the general understanding of movements like Trump's would be much better understood if people knew more about the intellectual state that lead to Nazism emerging as well as the economic and poltical stuff we are taught about.

Well we're definitely seeing a backlash against evolutionism...in fact failures of evolution are exponentially booming

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

There is two issues here. The decent Republicans will see what is going on and down tools. The maga idiots will fill the space and they won't have the experience or intelligence to do a good job. That is on top of the draining of cash out of the machine.

The net result will be a significant deterioration in the ground game and the grass roots political activity. Its unprecedented and another factor adding to the unknowns of this race.

My initial reaction to this problem for Republicans is that it is mostly down to partisan gerrymandering - districts are divided up such that most are extremely pro-Republican or pro-Democrat. This artificial division of a state into partisan voting districts results in the nomination and election into office of candidates with extreme positions in accord with the prevailing view of their respective districts.

And yet, State-wide elections, free of the gerrymandering problem - seem to elect polarizing figures too. The US Senate is a much more reasonable governing body than is the House - and yet, the Senate too is subject to Trump's influence.
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IMO, the way in which elections are run in the USA, is in need of a massive revamp. Mathematical models exist which help ensure that the "best," "most liked" candidate will win election - and these models result in compromise, non-radical, middle-of-the-road officials.

Unfortunately, there's almost no chance that such models will be adapted in the USA - as such change often requires a 2/3rd's vote of Congress and/or of the States.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Well we're definitely seeing a backlash against evolutionism...in fact failures of evolution are exponentially booming

In the USA, we're seeing a resurgence of evangelical christian beliefs - the world is some mere thousands of years old and men walked alongside dinosaurs some few years ago. Both such beliefs are completely unsupported by scientific evidence... and yet, the evangelicals cling to this narrative and desperately support Trump in the mistaken belief that he believes this bullshit too.