Donald Trump

[KS55]

Operation Midland.

Operation Yewtree lead to criminal convictions of Harris, Gadd, Clifford etc.

Ta, memory!

 

[TinFoilHat]

Maybe asking for trouble but I'm genuinely interested in @Bigga's opinion of Candace Owen. He has highlighted some of her stuff before but it does feel a little to me like she has become a little more extreme recently

@Bigga cannot answer that as I believe he's been banned from this thread for having the audacity of having a different view.

Surely more views weather we agree or dissent with him helps with healthy debate. As long as the people discussing it see it that way and don't get personal whatever they are debating.

The barn and muffin debate almost led to a war.

 

[mexico1970]

@Bigga cannot answer that as I believe he's been banned from this thread for having the audacity of having a different view.

Surely more views weather we agree or dissent with him helps with healthy debate. As long as the people discussing it see it that way and don't get personal whatever they are debating.

The barn and muffin debate almost led to a war.

When posters believe that just because another poster doesn't believe what they do they must be wumming, is where the problems start and echo chambers begin.

 

[mrbelfry]

@Bigga cannot answer that as I believe he's been banned from this thread for having the audacity of having a different view.

Surely more views weather we agree or dissent with him helps with healthy debate. As long as the people discussing it see it that way and don't get personal whatever they are debating.

The barn and muffin debate almost led to a war.

Didn't know he had been banned and he pm'd thanks

 

[Zablo Pabletta]

When posters believe that just because another poster doesn't believe what they do they must be wumming, is where the problems start and echo chambers begin.

Been there for a long time. Penny dropped with me around the election. It's never going to stop. People are always always going to disagree, and I will always get offended. Best just ignore it.

I better fucking relearn how, says I. Because I am not nearly as effective a debater or arguer as I was twenty years ago.

Found this useful in avoiding letting emotions and knee jerks get the better of me.

The Steel Man Technique: How To Argue Better And Be More Persuasive

The steel man is the opposite of the straw man. It's being charitable, and building up the best possible form of the argument for the other side.

constantrenewal.com

"People want to have their thoughts taken seriously and not brushed aside."

Yeah, and if they do it to you, and you're too proud to admit it hurts that you can be dismissed - it can be an easy win for them. You can't plead good faith if you aren't legitimately making the effort to listen and recognise them.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Been there for a long time. Penny dropped with me around the election. It's never going to stop. People are always always going to disagree, and I will always get offended. Best just ignore it.

I better fucking relearn how, says I. Because I am not nearly as effective a debater or arguer as I was twenty years ago.

Found this useful in avoiding letting emotions and knee jerks get the better of me.

The Steel Man Technique: How To Argue Better And Be More Persuasive

The steel man is the opposite of the straw man. It's being charitable, and building up the best possible form of the argument for the other side.

constantrenewal.com

"People want to have their thoughts taken seriously and not brushed aside."

Yeah, and if they do it to you, and you're too proud to admit it hurts that you can be dismissed - it can be an easy win for them. You can't plead good faith if you aren't legitimately making the effort to listen and recognise them.

Thank you for the article link.

Very Insightful

 

[SWP's back]

@Bigga cannot answer that as I believe he's been banned from this thread for having the audacity of having a different view.

Surely more views weather we agree or dissent with him helps with healthy debate. As long as the people discussing it see it that way and don't get personal whatever they are debating.

The barn and muffin debate almost led to a war.

I’ve no idea if Bigga is or isn’t banned and am not particularly bothered either way but I will say that IF he is banned, it will not be for having “a different view”.

 

[KS55]

@Bigga cannot answer that as I believe he's been banned from this thread for having the audacity of having a different view.

Surely more views weather we agree or dissent with him helps with healthy debate. As long as the people discussing it see it that way and don't get personal whatever they are debating.

The barn and muffin debate almost led to a war.

The battle of Chorlton on Medlock settled the barm wars. 1865.
I wouldn’t ban anyone for having a different view but that member was in the habit of telling lies about people who disagreed with him. I think he was a Trumpite in disguise. Sauce for the goose.

 

[BedsBlue68]

He isn't.

Hence the hush money court case he's trying to get thrown out thanks to his mates on SCOTUS arguing the payments were official acts therefore he's immune.

How come there are so many reports saying that he is using campaign funds for his legal cases and has been for a long time?

Trump’s Use of Campaign Funds to Pay Legal Bills

Thanks to loopholes and lax enforcement, former president Trump is using campaign funds to pay almost all of his legal bills.

www.brennancenter.org

More than $27M in Trump campaign fundraising went to legal costs in the last six months of 2023

The former president was indicted four times last year and has also had to answer civil lawsuits targeting his business and him as an individual.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[TinFoilHat]