Edin Dzeko (continued)

[Anonymous]

were talking about pl, don't change the subject, so you think dzeko isn't starting enough away pl games, but as you've just pointed out, he's started something like 8/10 away games this season.

Dzeko had started 8 PL games , 720 min ( all together with subs appearances )
Negredo had started 14 PL games, 1173 min ( all together with subs appearances )

The problem is. And You and I and probably all others knows it. That if Aguero was fit. Last two games Fullham, Swansea. Dzeko would not play. And especially now when Aguero come back after January. Manager will play just Aguero and Negredo. Or just one of them. At the end of the season Negredo will have around 30 PL games as starter. And Dzeko 10-12. Ten days from now, Dzeko will play only cup games. Nobody is stupid, especially not the players.
I still think if Dzeko and Negredo were rotated form the start in more equal way in PL. It would be better for the team ( City would be allready first ) and especially for players ( mostly Dzeko ). I just dont se him left out in 4,5 PL games again. And than he will come in last 20 min and score a winner.

 

[aguero93:20]

were talking about pl, don't change the subject, so you think dzeko isn't starting enough away pl games, but as you've just pointed out, he's started something like 8/10 away games this season.

Dzeko had started 8 PL games , 720 min ( all together with subs appearances )
Negredo had started 14 PL games, 1173 min ( all together with subs appearances )

The problem is. And You and I and probably all others knows it. That if Aguero was fit. Last two games Fullham, Swansea. Dzeko would not play. And especially now when Aguero come back after January. Manager will play just Aguero and Negredo. Or just one of them. At the end of the season Negredo will have around 30 PL games as starter. And Dzeko 10-12. Ten days from now, Dzeko will play only cup games. Nobody is stupid, especially not the players.
I still think if Dzeko and Negredo were rotated form the start in more equal way in PL. It would be better for the team ( City would be allready first ) and especially for players ( mostly Dzeko ). I just dont se him left out in 4,5 PL games again. And than he will come in last 20 min and score a winner.

by your logic, aguero must have been injured all season for dzeko to have started vs southampton west brom Cardiff Aston villa etc etc.
dzeko will start games if he merits it, exactly the same as everybody else, including kun. what exactly makes you think a. you know better than mp and b. you're mystic meg when it comes to future team selections?

 

[Anonymous]

by your logic, aguero must have been injured all season for dzeko to have started vs southampton west brom Cardiff Aston villa etc etc.
dzeko will start games if he merits it, exactly the same as everybody else, including kun. what exactly makes you think a. you know better than mp and b. you're mystic meg when it comes to future team selections?

Because I know one thing. 90 % of managers try more formations, players in the first half of the season. In the second half they play with best they have. It would be Aguero with Negredo or just one of them in second half of the season. This is one more reason why Dzeko should of be given proper chance to impress/or not in first half of the season. Give each Negredo / Dzeko 10 PL games and than play the better one in second half of the season. Would be the proper way. Not to give one ( Negredo ) 450 min more of PL in the first half of the season. By doing so. You have made easier for one of those two to impress. And for me it was one of not many Pellegrinis errors this year.

 

[Proelia]

by your logic, aguero must have been injured all season for dzeko to have started vs southampton west brom Cardiff Aston villa etc etc.
dzeko will start games if he merits it, exactly the same as everybody else, including kun. what exactly makes you think a. you know better than mp and b. you're mystic meg when it comes to future team selections?

Because I know one thing. 90 % of managers try more formations, players in the first half of the season. In the second half they play with best they have. It would be Aguero with Negredo or just one of them in second half. This is one more reason why Dzeko should of be given proper chance to impress/or not in first half of the season. Give each Negredo / Dzeko 10 PL games and than play the better one in second half. Not to give one ( Negredo ) 450 min more of PL in the first half of the season. By doing so. You have made easier for one of those two to impress. And for me it was one of not many Pellegrinis errors this year.

Two managers now think dzeko is shit give over already

 

[Anonymous]

Two managers now think dzeko is shit give over already

Negredo. Under Mancini. Having to fight with Aguero, TEVEZ and Balotelli for his spot. Would be third/fourth striker. Who would scored less than Dzeko have scored in his limited time. Negredo would NEVER be in front of Tevez. And Balotelli would be given his game time, one way or another.

 

[Proelia]

Negredo. Under Mancini. Having to fight with Aguero, TEVEZ and Balotelli for his spot. Would be third/fourth striker. Who would scored less than Dzeko have scored in his limited time. Negredo would NEVER be in front of Tevez. And Balotelli would be given his game time, one way or another.

Negredo is a far better player then balotelli , i even rate dzeko higher then him

 

[Anonymous]

Negredo. Under Mancini. Having to fight with Aguero, TEVEZ and Balotelli for his spot. Would be third/fourth striker. Who would scored less than Dzeko have scored in his limited time. Negredo would NEVER be in front of Tevez. And Balotelli would be given his game time, one way or another.

Negredo is a far better player then balotelli , i even rate dzeko higher then him

But he is not better than Tevez. And Mancini would give Balotelli some PL time. Even if he played badly. Dzeko have had best min/goal ratio. So it would be very hard for Negredo to score more than Dzeko had. Negredo would be third striker at best, under Mancini.
Also Mancini have said many times that Dzeko is one of the best strikers in world, and still does. So I dont think he thought Dzeko was shit after all.

 

[aguero93:20]

Negredo. Under Mancini. Having to fight with Aguero, TEVEZ and Balotelli for his spot. Would be third/fourth striker. Who would scored less than Dzeko have scored in his limited time. Negredo would NEVER be in front of Tevez. And Balotelli would be given his game time, one way or another.

Negredo is a far better player then balotelli , i even rate dzeko higher then him

But he is not better than Tevez. And Mancini would give Balotelli some PL time. Even if he played badly. Dzeko have had best min/goal ratio. So it would be very hard for Negredo to score more than Dzeko had. Negredo would be third striker at best, under Mancini.
Also Mancini have said many times that Dzeko is one of the best strikers in world, and still does. So I dont think he thought Dzeko was shit after all.

have you asked bobby about this?<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:55 pm --<br /><br />besides your point about managers experimenting in the first half of the season is utter bollocks, there's more squad rotation in the 2nd half as injuries suspension and fatigue mount up. btw negredo got more mins as he is the better striker.

 

[Matty]

This Dzeko thread just rehashes the same arguments from both sides of the debate. The bottom line here is that Dzeko has found himself as City's third choice striker, and this has happened based upon his own deficiencies as a footballer. No manager is going to, without reason, disgard a player in favour of another one. The reason for Aguero and Negredo to have so many more starts is because they have both been playing well in the main, and have been outperforming Dzeko. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Dzeko, once Aguero is fit again, will be back to number 3 striking option. He'll not be leaving in January as he'll be needed as the season progresses. He'll probably be allowed to go in the summer, when we can have much longer (months rather than weeks) to find a suitable replacement. Until then we all just need to accept that he'll play, although not all the time, and that his displays will frustrate those who don't rate him, and be lauded by those who do rate him.

 

[mancity5]

by your logic, aguero must have been injured all season for dzeko to have started vs southampton west brom Cardiff Aston villa etc etc.
dzeko will start games if he merits it, exactly the same as everybody else, including kun. what exactly makes you think a. you know better than mp and b. you're mystic meg when it comes to future team selections?

Because I know one thing. 90 % of managers try more formations, players in the first half of the season. In the second half they play with best they have. It would be Aguero with Negredo or just one of them in second half. This is one more reason why Dzeko should of be given proper chance to impress/or not in first half of the season. Give each Negredo / Dzeko 10 PL games and than play the better one in second half. Not to give one ( Negredo ) 450 min more of PL in the first half of the season. By doing so. You have made easier for one of those two to impress. And for me it was one of not many Pellegrinis errors this year.

Two managers now think dzeko is shit give over already

And 1 season ticket holder.

 

[Anonymous]

This Dzeko thread just rehashes the same arguments from both sides of the debate. The bottom line here is that Dzeko has found himself as City's third choice striker, and this has happened based upon his own deficiencies as a footballer. No manager is going to, without reason, disgard a player in favour of another one. The reason for Aguero and Negredo to have so many more starts is because they have both been playing well in the main, and have been outperforming Dzeko. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Dzeko, once Aguero is fit again, will be back to number 3 striking option. He'll not be leaving in January as he'll be needed as the season progresses. He'll probably be allowed to go in the summer, when we can have much longer (months rather than weeks) to find a suitable replacement. Until then we all just need to accept that he'll play, although not all the time, and that his displays will frustrate those who don't rate him, and be lauded by those who do rate him.

It was just too soon. Or too obvious to bench Dzeko after just bad 45 min in third Hull game. After all Dzeko was proven and best Citys PL scorer ( 14 goals ) last season. Dzeko had achieved this year THIS:
PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT

PLAYER OF THE MATCH ( AC MILAN )

MAN OF THE MATCH ( Newcastle - 1 game )

And score great goal against Cardiff City ( 2 game ). First goal of the game.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x140d81_edin-dzeko-goal-vs-cardiff-city-25-8-2013-1080-hd_sport" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x140d8 ... 0-hd_sport</a>

After all that. You should not benched that kind of player. And give him scraps in next 15 games. Is not HARSH as many would say. I would use much worse word. Again i would not have any problem if both ( Dzeko,Negredo ) was given 10 PL games each. And Better one played in second half of the season more games. Negredo was given 450 extra PL minutes. It was obvious that he would score more and looked better ( player ) with that extra minutes, and that kind of managers support.

 

[Matty]

This Dzeko thread just rehashes the same arguments from both sides of the debate. The bottom line here is that Dzeko has found himself as City's third choice striker, and this has happened based upon his own deficiencies as a footballer. No manager is going to, without reason, disgard a player in favour of another one. The reason for Aguero and Negredo to have so many more starts is because they have both been playing well in the main, and have been outperforming Dzeko. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Dzeko, once Aguero is fit again, will be back to number 3 striking option. He'll not be leaving in January as he'll be needed as the season progresses. He'll probably be allowed to go in the summer, when we can have much longer (months rather than weeks) to find a suitable replacement. Until then we all just need to accept that he'll play, although not all the time, and that his displays will frustrate those who don't rate him, and be lauded by those who do rate him.

It was just too soon. Or too obvious to bench Dzeko after just bad 45 min in third Hull game. After all Dzeko was proven and best Citys PL scorer ( 14 goals ) last season.

You should not benched that kind of player. And give him scraps in next 15 games. Is not HARSH as many would say. I would use much worse word. Again i would not have any problem if both ( Dzeko,Negredo ) was given 10 PL games each. And Better one played in second half of the season more games. Negredo was given 450 extra PL minutes. It was obvious that he would score more and looked better ( player ) with that extra minutes.

You're saying "of course Negredo looks a better player, he's been given 450 extra minutes". That's ignoring the fact he's been given the extra 45o minutes BECAUSE he looks the better player. The minutes are as a result of looking better, not the cause of him looking better.

 

[aguero93:20]

This Dzeko thread just rehashes the same arguments from both sides of the debate. The bottom line here is that Dzeko has found himself as City's third choice striker, and this has happened based upon his own deficiencies as a footballer. No manager is going to, without reason, disgard a player in favour of another one. The reason for Aguero and Negredo to have so many more starts is because they have both been playing well in the main, and have been outperforming Dzeko. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Dzeko, once Aguero is fit again, will be back to number 3 striking option. He'll not be leaving in January as he'll be needed as the season progresses. He'll probably be allowed to go in the summer, when we can have much longer (months rather than weeks) to find a suitable replacement. Until then we all just need to accept that he'll play, although not all the time, and that his displays will frustrate those who don't rate him, and be lauded by those who do rate him.

It was just too soon. Or too obvious to bench Dzeko after just bad 45 min in third Hull game. After all Dzeko was proven and best Citys PL scorer ( 14 goals ) last season. Dzeko had achieved this year THIS:
PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT

PLAYER OF THE MATCH ( AC MILAN )

MAN OF THE MATCH ( Newcastle - 1 game )

And score great goal against Cardiff City ( 2 game ). First goal of the game.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x140d81_edin-dzeko-goal-vs-cardiff-city-25-8-2013-1080-hd_sport" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x140d8 ... 0-hd_sport</a>

After all that. You should not benched that kind of player. And give him scraps in next 15 games. Is not HARSH as many would say. I would use much worse word. Again i would not have any problem if both ( Dzeko,Negredo ) was given 10 PL games each. And Better one played in second half of the season more games. Negredo was given 450 extra PL minutes. It was obvious that he would score more and looked better ( player ) with that extra minutes.

You're saying "of course Negredo looks a better player, he's been given 450 extra minutes". That's ignoring the fact he's been given the extra 45o minutes BECAUSE he looks the better player. The minutes are as a result of looking better, not the cause of him looking better.

come on matty I'm giving up here, 8/10 away matches with only aguero up front in one of the 2 and mp isn't playing him enough in away games? deluded enough to be a spurs fan if you ask me.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

So the new argument is because Dzeko won to pre season man of the match awards and a man of the match award in first game of season he should play?

 

[aguero93:20]

So the new argument is because Dzeko won to pre season man of the match awards and a man of the match award in first game of season he should play?

he hasn't played in enough aways apparently, only 14/16 in all comps. and every thing he does wrong should be blamed on pellegrini due to this.

 

[Anonymous]

This Dzeko thread just rehashes the same arguments from both sides of the debate. The bottom line here is that Dzeko has found himself as City's third choice striker, and this has happened based upon his own deficiencies as a footballer. No manager is going to, without reason, disgard a player in favour of another one. The reason for Aguero and Negredo to have so many more starts is because they have both been playing well in the main, and have been outperforming Dzeko. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Dzeko, once Aguero is fit again, will be back to number 3 striking option. He'll not be leaving in January as he'll be needed as the season progresses. He'll probably be allowed to go in the summer, when we can have much longer (months rather than weeks) to find a suitable replacement. Until then we all just need to accept that he'll play, although not all the time, and that his displays will frustrate those who don't rate him, and be lauded by those who do rate him.

It was just too soon. Or too obvious to bench Dzeko after just bad 45 min in third Hull game. After all Dzeko was proven and best Citys PL scorer ( 14 goals ) last season.

You should not benched that kind of player. And give him scraps in next 15 games. Is not HARSH as many would say. I would use much worse word. Again i would not have any problem if both ( Dzeko,Negredo ) was given 10 PL games each. And Better one played in second half of the season more games. Negredo was given 450 extra PL minutes. It was obvious that he would score more and looked better ( player ) with that extra minutes.

You're saying "of course Negredo looks a better player, he's been given 450 extra minutes". That's ignoring the fact he's been given the extra 45o minutes BECAUSE he looks the better player. The minutes are as a result of looking better, not the cause of him looking better.

After such a great performances in pre season and first two games. Dzeko should be given more than just scraps. It could be like that you are saying. It also could be that threat of Dzeko and Pantilimon were just used to get out the most of Negredo and Hart. Pellegrini knew from the start that Dzeko/Pantilimon would be benched after first big mistake. For Negredo/Hart to be benched. There needed to be much more than few mistakes. It is called pre-preference. Me and you can only speculate on that. Which version mine, yours is right. But doing things mine, Mancinis and many other managers way City would gain three infrom strikers ( Aguero,Negredo , Dzeko with 10 + PL goals each ) firing on all cylinders. Which was exact thing which won Mancini a league ( even not having world class DM as Fernandinho is ). Pellegrini now have 1,5 inform strikers. Aguero and Negredo ( who need 550 min + to score a PL AWAY goal ). As for Dzeko, it is huge risk that he will underperform for the rest of the season. And there is big posibility that he will be gone in January or Summer. Dzeko could of stay for 18 monthes at least in other scenarios and be vital part of City which he was. And what was always my wish.

 

[aguero93:20]

It was just too soon. Or too obvious to bench Dzeko after just bad 45 min in third Hull game. After all Dzeko was proven and best Citys PL scorer ( 14 goals ) last season.

You should not benched that kind of player. And give him scraps in next 15 games. Is not HARSH as many would say. I would use much worse word. Again i would not have any problem if both ( Dzeko,Negredo ) was given 10 PL games each. And Better one played in second half of the season more games. Negredo was given 450 extra PL minutes. It was obvious that he would score more and looked better ( player ) with that extra minutes.

You're saying "of course Negredo looks a better player, he's been given 450 extra minutes". That's ignoring the fact he's been given the extra 45o minutes BECAUSE he looks the better player. The minutes are as a result of looking better, not the cause of him looking better.

After such a great performances in pre season and first two games. Dzeko should be given more than just scraps. It could be like that you are saying. It also could be that threat of Dzeko and Pantilimon were just used to get out the most of Negredo and Hart. Pellegrini knew from the start that Dzeko/Pantilimon would be benched after first big mistake. For Negredo/Hart to be benched. There needed to be much more than few mistakes. It is called pre-preference. Me and you can only speculate on that. Which version mine, yours is right. But doing things mine, Mancinis and many other managers way City would gain three infrom strikers ( Aguero,Negredo , Dzeko with 10 + PL goals each ) firing on all cylinders. Which was exact thing which won Mancini a league ( even not having world class DM as Fernardinho is ). Pellegrini now have 1,5 inform strikers. Aguero and Negredo ( who need 550 min + to score a PL AWAY goal ). As for Dzeko, it is huge risk that he will underperform for the rest of the season. And there is big posibility that he will be gone in January or Summer. Dzeko could of stay for 18 monthes at least in other scenarios and be vital part of City which he was. And what was always my wish.

someone should make you sit down and read everything you've posted. I was at the Cardiff game, obviously unlike you. he was shit, apart from one long range shot. since he hits about 1 of those a season, I think that can safely be listed under 'fluke'. give it up baka, the only thing you're achieving here is pissing city fans off and turning them against your precious hero.

 

[JasminBosnia]

Debate here also starts when i.e. "Pro-edin brigade" member post something like "He was really close to be MOTM, just needed a goal". He immediately get bashed here by the same dozen of posters and mods who think Edin is shit regardless of his performance.

Nobody abuse the other poster if he post the same or similar message in another thread.

I imagine if I post "edin is donkey" I could expect personal attack from hater battalion :D. Funny.<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:16 pm --<br /><br />And Edin is number 1 striker in the club at the moment, other strikers are injured or performing very poor.

 

[Anonymous]

someone should make you sit down and read everything you've posted. I was at the Cardiff game, obviously unlike you. he was shit, apart from one long range shot. since he hits about 1 of those a season, I think that can safely be listed under 'fluke'. give it up baka, the only thing you're achieving here is pissing city fans off and turning them against your precious hero.

1 per season really. Her you go one more in few games he had played THIS season. This goal is with is WEAKER FOOT. Now show me one Negredos goal with his right foot of that quality in his entire career. I does not exist and never will. Again it does not mean that Negredo is not better player than Dzeko for this system. Negredos pass against Fullham is something Dzeko can not do for instance.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=man-Yk91Er8[/youtube]

 

[aguero93:20]

Debate here also starts when i.e. "Pro-edin brigade" member post something like "He was really close to be MOTM, just needed a goal". He immediately get bashed here by the same dozen of posters and mods who think Edin is shit regardless of his performance.

Nobody abuse the other poster if he post the same or similar message in another thread.

I imagine if I post "edin is donkey" I could expect personal attack from hater battalion :D. Funny.

-- Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:16 pm --

And Edin is number 1 striker in the club at the moment, other strikers are injured or performing very poor.

even with aguero and jovetic injured, negredo has more goals in last 6 games than dzeko and more assists, yaya is form striker at the club. dzeko 3rd.