Edin Dzeko (continued)

[west didsblue]

Great performance by Dzeko last night. If he played like this every game, this thread would be a quarter the size and we could all agree with the Bosnians.

 

[aguero93:20]

Aguero93:20 knows very good my opinion. I will answer your question Aguero 93:20. Can you answer mine first ??
As for you more than enough, you dont have a clue. How much is he getting. Why was he getting that much in this last month. And what kind of game time player of Dzeko quality and worse would want to play.

He's supposed to get to 100% by using the time he has on the pitch Baka, that means continuing to show the kind of effort he's showing now. The vast majority of strikers at top clubs don't feature for more than 35-40 games a season and still keep themselves sharp and ready for when they play. There's your answer.

and I watched both of their matches against lyon that year and kaka was shit in the second leg.

Have you watched those two games on TV or live ??
THIS WAS my question. After your answer I will tell you my opinion. If you are interested.

I watched the game in the bernabeu on tv and the one in Lyon live. what difference does it make Baka?

 

[Anonymous]

I watched the game in the bernabeu on tv and the one in Lyon live. what difference does it make Baka?

You as long time Manchester City fan have went to Lyon to watch Real game. How come ??

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I told you- that already GDM

Haha. Yes you did :-)

I omitted to word "insecure" in error btw.

Insecure fucking bores.

It's shit like what's been highlighted that create such negativity too and then they wonder why.....

The worst sort of insecure bores as well, who think that being right once supersedes being wrong several times. Like some sort of egocentric trump card obliterating all evidence and logic.

 

[Gordyola]

I don't know where people have been, but without Edin we would never have won the League..

- through thick & thin he puts in his shift and is a player who is firmly grounded; not flashy & not a prima donna.. yet for some reason he seems to come in for an inordinate amount of stick (although on a forum like this you'll always have the swooning Victorian Ladies)

he fulfills an important role in our squad very well; I'm glad we've got him.

With an alternative we may have won the league by a clear margin

The best description of him I've heard is "He's an enigma wrapped up in a contradiction"
He can be brilliant one minute and very poor the next. An example is the Crystal Palace game where imho he was awful for 89 mins only to score the goal to win the game by brilliant movement to find space and hammer the ball in the net Others occasions he stand with his finger up his arse looking disinterested or executes a powder puff shot into the keeper's arms
IMHO he is the worse "footballer" in the squad, although it is a squad full of very good footballers

 

[aguero93:20]

I watched the game in the bernabeu on tv and the one in Lyon live. what difference does it make Baka?

You as long time Manchester City fan have went to Lyon to watch Real game. How come ??

Lets see? because we never used to be in the champions league so I always used to go to football matches when I was abroad as it was the only way I got to see these teams live?

-- Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:01 am --

I watched the game in the bernabeu on tv and the one in Lyon live. what difference does it make Baka?

You as long time Manchester City fan have went to Lyon to watch Real game. How come ??

Lets see? because we never used to be in the champions league so I always used to go to football matches when I was abroad as it was the only way I got to see these teams live?<br /><br />-- Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:02 am --<br /><br />

Haha. Yes you did :-)

I omitted to word "insecure" in error btw.

Insecure fucking bores.

It's shit like what's been highlighted that create such negativity too and then they wonder why.....

The worst sort of insecure bores as well, who think that being right once supersedes being wrong several times. Like some sort of egocentric trump card obliterating all evidence and logic.

Right now I think once having gone to lyon to watch a champions league game that city weren't involved in is being used against me, ycmiu

 

[Anonymous]

Ok Aguero93:20. I was interested if you are just a fan. Or someone who works close with the club. That is way I have asked you that question. I hope you are not offended. It is obvious you have great knowledge of football in general which usual football fan does not have. Outside his own club.

"He's supposed to get to 100% by using the time he has on the pitch Baka, that means continuing to show the kind of effort he's showing now. The vast majority of strikers at top clubs don't feature for more than 35-40 games a season and still keep themselves sharp and ready for when they play. There's your answer".

"He's on 24 appearances all comps including substitute appearances at roughly the halfway point of the season and has never made more than 48 appearances starts and subs in one season Baka. Not enough game time?"

1) You know perefctlly well ( with such big football knowledge ) that for most of the players all games are not any were near the same importance. When you are as good as Dzeko is. You want to play PL and CL games as much as possible. And it had been like that in top football leagues the same in at least last 50 years.
2) Out of this 24 appearances he had played much less PL games as a starter than under Mancini. Am i right. Most of this 24 games are cup games or subs appearances.

 

[aguero93:20]

Ok Aguero93:20. I was interested if you are just a fan. Or someone who works close with the club. That is way I have asked you that question. I hope you are not offended. It is obvious you have great knowledge of football in general which usual football fan does not have. Outside his own club.

"He's supposed to get to 100% by using the time he has on the pitch Baka, that means continuing to show the kind of effort he's showing now. The vast majority of strikers at top clubs don't feature for more than 35-40 games a season and still keep themselves sharp and ready for when they play. There's your answer".

"He's on 24 appearances all comps including substitute appearances at roughly the halfway point of the season and has never made more than 48 appearances starts and subs in one season Baka. Not enough game time?"

1) You know perefctly well ( with such big football knowledge ) that to most of the player all games are not any were near the same important. When you are as good as Dzeko is. You want to play PL and CL games as much as possible. And it had beenig like that in top football leagues the same in at least lasto 50 years.
2) Out of this 24 appearances he had played much leee PL games as a starter than under Mancini. Am i right. Most of this 24 games are cup games or subs appearances.

No, I don't, that's just your opinion, in fact, if I was in the squad right now the competition I'd be thinking about most would be the league cup, as we're (literally) only 1 game away from a trophy. would it surprise you to learn that out of our 6 games in the Champions League this season, Dzeko has started 4 and come on as a sub once? And of our 20 premier league games, he's started 8 and come on as a sub 6 times, not bad treatment for a 3rd choice striker, especially when you consider the manager is out to wreck his career.<br /><br />-- Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:25 am --<br /><br />In all competitions last year Baka, he started 23 games and came on as a sub 22 times, you claim mancini started him more often, but last year was when he really became a supersub.

 

[BibbyBlue85]

Excellent performance last night. Let's keep it up Edin

 

[blueinsa]

I will give him this, when he hits a ball he hits it sweet as a fucking nut!

Did what Edin does last night and bags but with the added bonus of playing a great game as well.

Long may it continue and it was especially pleasing to see the bond between him and the beast.

 

[Damocles]

One good game against a team who got twatted 5-0 by a Championship side last week and he's back to the best player in the world.

These Bosnians are nothing if not predictable.

 

[Anonymous]

No, I don't, that's just your opinion, in fact, if I was in the squad right now the competition I'd be thinking about most would be the league cup, as we're (literally) only 1 game away from a trophy. would it surprise you to learn that out of our 6 games in the Champions League this season, Dzeko has started 4 and come on as a sub once? And of our 20 premier league games, he's started 8 and come on as a sub 6 times, not bad treatment for a 3rd choice striker, especially when you consider the manager is out to wreck his career.

1) There is a reason for Dzeko starting last two games of CL. Because it was all done. Or manager thought it was at Bayern game. There is also a reason why Dzeko will not start any of Barcelona games.
2) He is not automatic third choice nor was he promissed to be by this manager. He persuade him to stay. After that he told the media that Dzeko is his Main man. And than drop him after first bed ( 45 min in a third game ). Before that Dzeko had 4 great games and one solid ( Cardiff City ). Which is not bad for me that Dzeko was droped. Problem for me is that he was barely used in next 10 games. ( unable to prove himself ).
3) Manager does not want to wreck Dzekos career nor he dislikes Dzeko. He want to have BEST third choice striker in the world. In fact he wanted it from the begining. He just gave him a chance of 2,5 games like you give to unproven players. He seems to forgot that Dzeko was/in proven player in all possible ways and Best PL scorer of team that he in managing in last year ( 14 goals ).

 

[Damocles]

What were these 4 "great" games Dzeko had before Cardiff?

I don't even think he's had 4 great games this season and not many more than that in his entire City career.

 

[aguero93:20]

No, I don't, that's just your opinion, in fact, if I was in the squad right now the competition I'd be thinking about most would be the league cup, as we're (literally) only 1 game away from a trophy. would it surprise you to learn that out of our 6 games in the Champions League this season, Dzeko has started 4 and come on as a sub once? And of our 20 premier league games, he's started 8 and come on as a sub 6 times, not bad treatment for a 3rd choice striker, especially when you consider the manager is out to wreck his career.

1) There is a reason for Dzeko starting last two games of CL. Because it was all done. Or manager thought it was at Bayern game. There is also a reason why Dzeko will not start any of Barcelona games.
2) He is not automatic third choice nor was he promissed to be by this manager. He persuade him to stay. After that he told the media that Dzeko is his Main man. And than drop him after first bed ( 45 min in a third game ). Before that Dzeko had 4 great games and one solid ( Cardiff City ). Which is not bad for me that Dzeko was droped. Problem for me is that he was barely used in next 10 games.
3) Manager does not want to wreck Dzekos career nor he dislikes Dzeko. He want to have BEST third choice striker in the world. In fact he wanted it from the begining. He just gave him a chance of 2,5 games like you give to unproven players. He seems to forgot that Dzeko was/in proven player in all possible ways and Best PL scorer of team that he in managing in last year ( 14 goals ).

1. so we shouldn't play dzeko against west ham in two weeks than as it's obviously 'beneath him'?
2. Nobody is an automatic starter, nobody is guaranteed they'll be first choice at the end of the season just because they were at the start, are you denying that negredo took that starting spot on merit?
3. Again, Again, Again, It doesn't matter what Dzeko did last year in a season where we played in a different style under a different manager with different players, it doesn't guarantee him a starting spot this year.

 

[bugsyblue]

One good game against a team who got twatted 5-0 by a Championship side last week and he's back to the best player in the world.

These Bosnians are nothing if not predictable.

True, and while they frustrate and irritate me as much as anyone, we have to give Dzeko credit for his performance last night. It should be a given fact that Negredo is the better player, but regardless of that, Dzeko worked his socks off last night, he had hunger, desire, and it paid dividends in his performance. If he can keep this work rate up then it's obvious why he is a top player.

 

[aguero93:20]

You still haven't answered about Bobby last year, 23 games started 22 as sub and pellegrini is using him as a sub more????

 

[Anonymous]

What were these 4 "great" games Dzeko had before Cardiff?

I don't even think he's had 4 great games this season and not many more than that in his entire City career.

I think beeing PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT ( 2 games ) MAN OF THE MATCH and Barclays MOTM can ge considered as a great game. Dont you ??

 

[aguero93:20]

What were these 4 "great" games Dzeko had before Cardiff?

I don't even think he's had 4 great games this season and not many more than that in his entire City career.

I think beeing PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT ( 2 games ) MAN OF THE MATCH and Barclays MOTM can ge considered as a great game. Dont you ??

I don't think pre-season performances count for much, do you?

 

[Anonymous]

You still haven't answered about Bobby last year, 23 games started 22 as sub and pellegrini is using him as a sub more????

Look he did play more PL games. Anyway. For me personally Negredo is great player. I agree 100% with yours describeing of him. I do think that at least 98 % fans likes Dzeko as any other player. I dont think managers dislikes Dzeko in any way. But I DO THINK that he threw Dzeko on the bench after first bad 45 min. It was to quick and not accident. And more importantelly he did not gave him chance to shine in next 10 games. By doing so he gave other player which Dzeko is fighting for the same spot adventage of playing 10 games in a row. And IT DOES MEAN A LOT in a game of football. ( Just look at Adebayor now and under AVB ). He should gave 5 game each. And the same again. Until he found up who is better individually. Not to give one 2,5 games and other 10 most important games in a row.. It was making it easier for the second one to shine.
The presumption that Dzeko is/was only here for 18 monthes and would leave and other striker should be here for longer period of time was also wrong. If Dzeko have had great season this year he could as well sign a new contract.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The way I see it, we'll play something like 55 competitive games a season. We'll usually start with 2 strikers and have one on the bench, who will generally come on at some point. So that's a total of 165 striker appearances over a season. Even with 4 strikers, that's an average of 40 appearances each, which is pretty much the going rate for a striker.