Edin or Mario?

Damocles said:
BigED10Dzekson said:
Dzeko is great, mario not. Just a marketing puppet and mancinis fav. Yes mario is consistent in the boulevard and geting cards.
Dzeko is the best CF in the legue. if he would play for other team he would score 40+

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BillyShears said:
Damocles said:
BigED10Dzekson said:
Dzeko is great, mario not. Just a marketing puppet and mancinis fav. Yes mario is consistent in the boulevard and geting cards.
Dzeko is the best CF in the legue. if he would play for other team he would score 40+

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha

He's certainly one of the best though. Off the top of my head, there's only the two at the swamp who I would say are definitely better than him. Below that - well, I think he's better than Torres, better than Giroud, better than Ade, better than the two at Newcastle.

I'd have:

Rooney, RVP, Tevez, Aguero, Balo, P. Cisse, Suarez, and Torres. Absolutely he's in the top ten, and he might sneak into the top five depending on your ranking of Torres, Balo and Cisse but he's certainly not "the best CF in the legue".<br /><br />-- Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:51 am --<br /><br />
BillyShears said:
It's been said so often it's becoming a bit of a cliche, but in a team that played to his strengths, Edin would be up there as one of the top goals scorers in the league.

Whilst I agree with this, we quite obviously don't play to his strengths and don't possess the necessary players or manager to do so. I think Mancini saw the next Ibra in Dzeko but he just doesn't possess the technical quality that Ibra does.

In terms of him or Mario, I'm grateful they both play for us. If I had a gun to my head I'd pick Mario because I believe his all round game is much stronger even if he is weak mentally at times.

There's sort of where I'm at with them too. It's a nice choice to have.
 
Answer me this:

Who equalised against QPR on the last day of the season?

Edin.

Who equalised against S'oton first game of the season?

Edin.

It may be a long time ago, but who equalised away to Notts County in the FA Cup in 2011?

Edin.

What vital goals has Mario scored apart from that penalty in the last minute against Spurs?
 
Damocles said:
I'd have:

Rooney, RVP, Tevez, Aguero, Balo, P. Cisse, Suarez, and Torres. Absolutely he's in the top ten, and he might sneak into the top five depending on your ranking of Torres, Balo and Cisse but he's certainly not "the best CF in the legue".

I've discounted the strikers we have on our books ... because, well they're ours... :)

Just out of curiosity, because I couldn't disagree with you more strenuously, what is it you see in Cisse that makes you think he's even fit to lace Edin's boots?

I rate Suarez and he's a top forward, but he isn't a number 9 and certainly isn't a natural goal scorer in the way Aguero, Balo, and Dzeko are.

Torres is older, slower, and frankly just as erratic as Edin can be. Age and the potential to improve alone give Dzeko the edge in that comparison.

The best centre forward in the league is an absolute exaggeration, but putting the comparison another way. At every other club in the league Dzeko would be first choice centre forward barring the rags obviously and maybe, Chelsea, where it seems Roman has decided that Torres will be first choice irrespective of his ability.
 
BillyShears said:
what is it you see in Cisse that makes you think he's even fit to lace Edin's boots?

He is good in the air and good on the ground. He's technically very proficient in the way that he passes and finds spaces to work within. He's a powerful guy who doesn't get bossed off the ball like Edin seems to, and he scores lots of goals. More to the point, he scores a variety of goals. He scores tap-ins, headers, left foot shots, right foot shots, he's excellent in a one on one situation, his vision is pretty smart.

I put him around evens with Dzeko technically, but I think his power and passing is better.<br /><br />-- Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:03 pm --<br /><br />
BillyShears said:
Torres is older, slower, and frankly just as erratic as Edin can be. Age and the potential to improve alone give Dzeko the edge in that comparison.

Agree that Dzeko would be the more promising to have on your books, but I get the feeling that Torres is a player who needs to grow up. He needs to adapt to his new limitations.

However as a technical player, again I'd fancy him over Edin simply because he could fit our tiki-taka type attacking movement better. Would you rather Torres up front with Aguero next to him and Silva/Nasri behind him, or Edin up front with Aguero next to him and Silva/Nasri behind him?
 
Damocles said:
BillyShears said:
what is it you see in Cisse that makes you think he's even fit to lace Edin's boots?

He is good in the air and good on the ground. He's technically very proficient in the way that he passes and finds spaces to work within. He's a powerful guy who doesn't get bossed off the ball like Edin seems to, and he scores lots of goals. More to the point, he scores a variety of goals. He scores tap-ins, headers, left foot shots, right foot shots, he's excellent in a one on one situation, his vision is pretty smart.

I put him around evens with Dzeko technically, but I think his power and passing is better.

Just a gut feeling, but Cisse's going to get found out this season and I'd be shocked if he's even half as prolific as he was in his first few months in the league. I think you're being unfair on Dzeko when it comes to this comparison. He has also scored a variety of goals for us, I'd say he's far stronger than Cisse, and technically I'd give Dzeko the edge too.

It is a game of opinions though!<br /><br />-- Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:08 pm --<br /><br />
Damocles said:
Would you rather Torres up front with Aguero next to him and Silva/Nasri behind him, or Edin up front with Aguero next to him and Silva/Nasri behind him?

Honestly, I'd have neither of them in an ideal world. If I had to choose between the two maybe I'd pick Torres simply because he is more attuned to playing our way (as you've pointed out), but talking about their respective merits in general rather than specifically to City, I'd rate Dzeko as the better player and better prospect.

Put it another way, I think that Suarez would be much better in our squad than Balotelli because he is far better at playing as a false 9 (which all our forwards need to be capable of doing), however I rate Balo much higher as a centre forward.
 
BillyShears said:
Damocles said:
BillyShears said:
what is it you see in Cisse that makes you think he's even fit to lace Edin's boots?

He is good in the air and good on the ground. He's technically very proficient in the way that he passes and finds spaces to work within. He's a powerful guy who doesn't get bossed off the ball like Edin seems to, and he scores lots of goals. More to the point, he scores a variety of goals. He scores tap-ins, headers, left foot shots, right foot shots, he's excellent in a one on one situation, his vision is pretty smart.

I put him around evens with Dzeko technically, but I think his power and passing is better.

Just a gut feeling, but Cisse's going to get found out this season and I'd be shocked if he's even half as prolific as he was in his first few months in the league. I think you're being unfair on Dzeko when it comes to this comparison. He has also scored a variety of goals for us, I'd say he's far stronger than Cisse, and technically I'd give Dzeko the edge too.

It is a game of opinions though!

-- Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:08 pm --

Damocles said:
Would you rather Torres up front with Aguero next to him and Silva/Nasri behind him, or Edin up front with Aguero next to him and Silva/Nasri behind him?

Honestly, I'd have neither of them in an ideal world. If I had to choose between the two maybe I'd pick Torres simply because he is more attuned to playing our way (as you've pointed out), but talking about their respective merits in general rather than specifically to City, I'd rate Dzeko as the better player and better prospect.

Put it another way, I think that Suarez would be much better in our squad than Balotelli because he is far better at playing as a false 9 (which all our forwards need to be capable of doing), however I rate Balo much higher as a centre forward.

If Edin gets slated for missing the odd chance, when in fact he's quite a clinical finisher, I have no idea how bluemoon would react to the 1 goal in 12 shots stat of Luis Suarez. Never seen a player miss more chances.
 
blutomato42 said:
Answer me this:

What vital goals has Mario scored apart from that penalty in the last minute against Spurs?

Opened against United & got Evans sent off, Winner vs Everton, the two in the draw with sunderland. set up the winner vs QPR

A lot of his goals are openers and winners, not just in the dramatic fashion as 1 of Edins..though if it wasn't for a quality Paddy Kenny save it would have been Mario that equalised.

Also vs Germany
 
blutomato42 said:
Answer me this:

What vital goals has Mario scored apart from that penalty in the last minute against Spurs?


Last season Mario scored "First Goals" which broke the deadlock 6 times compared to Edin's 4 even though Mario made less starts than Edin. They scored the same amount of winning goals at 4 each.
 

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