Eliaquim Mangala - now official

[Bruun]

Re: Eliaquim Mangala

How about we pay $30M for Hummels and pay him $5M/year for three years?
Much better deal than Mangala 45M?

Do Hummels and Dortmund get a say in that ?

Hummels would suit in like Nastasic, similar style.

 

[pudge]

Re: Eliaquim Mangala

You seem to have a real hard on for Veltman, I have to admit I've barely heard of him. He looks, on paper, like a guy with one year of playing in the Eredivise, who as of yet, can't get ahead of some pretty average CB's in the Dutch NT. If you're going to use the arguament that Sakho is better than Mangala because he's in the team ahead of him, then Veltman is worse than Ron Vlaar, Bruno Martins Indi and Stefan De Vrij.

Obviously I'm not saying he's not a good player, as I've literally never seen him play, but your logic regarding Mangala is flawed. Veltman would be a huge gamble, based on his complete lack of experience at any level

Actually there is nothing wrong with my argument here, I'm not using Mangala being behind Sahko to show he is not as good as Veltman, rather it's simply to put in context what his current talent level may be. He is behind Varane and Sahko, 2 players many here have seen enough of. So all I'm saying is that he is no Kompany, and we shouldn't be fooled by the supposed price tag. It seems anytime anyone brings up the name of a good defender, the response is "he is not at the level we are looking for" a position that tends to assume Benatia and Mangala somehow defines that Level. I am simply pointing out that Mangala is not at that level either.

And yes on a personal note, I'd rather have Veltman. (my opinion here; and I am no scout nor have I watched every game they've both played; and l agree with lovecity that scouts 'should' know more) but from what I've seen of both, I'd take Veltman. Especially at 1/3 the cost. Coz I believe the risk of success are similar.

Yeah but you would have had us sign the walking calamity that is Vertonghen and we'd still be looking for a CB.

 

[Dax777]

Re: Eliaquim Mangala

You seem to have a real hard on for Veltman, I have to admit I've barely heard of him. He looks, on paper, like a guy with one year of playing in the Eredivise, who as of yet, can't get ahead of some pretty average CB's in the Dutch NT. If you're going to use the arguament that Sakho is better than Mangala because he's in the team ahead of him, then Veltman is worse than Ron Vlaar, Bruno Martins Indi and Stefan De Vrij.

Obviously I'm not saying he's not a good player, as I've literally never seen him play, but your logic regarding Mangala is flawed. Veltman would be a huge gamble, based on his complete lack of experience at any level

Actually there is nothing wrong with my argument here, I'm not using Mangala being behind Sahko to show he is not as good as Veltman, rather it's simply to put in context what his current talent level may be. He is behind Varane and Sahko, 2 players many here have seen enough of. So all I'm saying is that he is no Kompany, and we shouldn't be fooled by the supposed price tag. It seems anytime anyone brings up the name of a good defender, the response is "he is not at the level we are looking for" a position that tends to assume Benatia and Mangala somehow defines that Level. I am simply pointing out that Mangala is not at that level either.

And yes on a personal note, I'd rather have Veltman. (my opinion here; and I am no scout nor have I watched every game they've both played; and l agree with lovecity that scouts 'should' know more) but from what I've seen of both, I'd take Veltman. Especially at 1/3 the cost. Coz I believe the risk of success are similar.

Yeah but you would have had us sign the walking calamity that is Vertonghen and we'd still be looking for a CB.

Had we gotten Vertoghen, we will not be looking for a CD now.

 

[pudge]

Re: Eliaquim Mangala

Actually there is nothing wrong with my argument here, I'm not using Mangala being behind Sahko to show he is not as good as Veltman, rather it's simply to put in context what his current talent level may be. He is behind Varane and Sahko, 2 players many here have seen enough of. So all I'm saying is that he is no Kompany, and we shouldn't be fooled by the supposed price tag. It seems anytime anyone brings up the name of a good defender, the response is "he is not at the level we are looking for" a position that tends to assume Benatia and Mangala somehow defines that Level. I am simply pointing out that Mangala is not at that level either.

And yes on a personal note, I'd rather have Veltman. (my opinion here; and I am no scout nor have I watched every game they've both played; and l agree with lovecity that scouts 'should' know more) but from what I've seen of both, I'd take Veltman. Especially at 1/3 the cost. Coz I believe the risk of success are similar.

Yeah but you would have had us sign the walking calamity that is Vertonghen and we'd still be looking for a CB.

Had we gotten Vertoghen, we will not be looking for a CD now.

Course not, that would be silly. We'd be looking for a centre-back.

Vertonghen's as overrated as he is a liability

 

[Dax777]

Re: Eliaquim Mangala

Yeah but you would have had us sign the walking calamity that is Vertonghen and we'd still be looking for a CB.

Had we gotten Vertoghen, we will not be looking for a CD now.

Course not, that would be silly. We'd be looking for a centre-back.

CD stands for Central defender I.e. Centre-back. Over to you :p

 

[pudge]

Re: Eliaquim Mangala

Had we gotten Vertoghen, we will not be looking for a CD now.

Course not, that would be silly. We'd be looking for a centre-back.

CD stands for Central defender I.e. Centre-back. Over to you :p

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[MillionDollarDream]

Re: Eliaquim Mangala

Let's be completely honest here. Most haven't seen Mangala play enough, over some years to make an accurate judgement on him. The alternative name usually come from teams that get a lot of coverage like Dortmund(Hummels/Subotic) even though they have serious injury concerns that people gloss over given our injury record was pretty similar to theirs last year. Or PL defenders because naturally we follow this league more. Other names listed probably aren't on our lists for a reason, remember there were category A-D options that we were shooting for. I also think the Chelsea comments have negatively affected the discussion of this player even though it's been described as overblown and a twist on what was actually said and how it was said.

 

[dachoosen1]

Re: Eliaquim Mangala

I probably havnt seen enough of him to really judge but 30-40 mil is madness that's Thiago Silva and Kompany in their peak money. Its best in the world money which Mangala isn't I have seen him maybe a dozen times and he was great in about 4 solid in 6 and woeful in 2. If we sign him think he will be a massive gamble it could pay off but when from what I have seen of him he has plenty of mistakes in him.

 

[MillionDollarDream]

Re: Eliaquim Mangala

I probably havnt seen enough of him to really judge but 30-40 mil is madness that's Thiago Silva and Kompany in their peak money. Its best in the world money which Mangala isn't I have seen him maybe a dozen times and he was great in about 4 solid in 6 and woeful in 2. If we sign him think he will be a massive gamble it could pay off but when from what I have seen of him he has plenty of mistakes in him.

Is David Luiz best in the world? I would think many would agree that he is not yet he went for 50M. That's what we are faced with in this current climate unfortunately. Given this and the fact we are dealing with A) Porto B) this particular agent C) the feeling other top clubs have even the faintest of interest, Mangala isn't going for cheap nor will any top prospect or older more experienced top player in this position.

Our squad is starting to all reach it's prime around the same time which is great short term but scary long term and we don't want to find ourselves in the position the rags are in now. As we see they are going to try and spend similar money on "one for the future" in Luke Shaw. So we have David Luiz going for around 50M at 27 who's not best in the world and Shaw 18 going for 34-36. Mangala 23 or any of the like will fall somewhere in the middle.

 

[dachoosen1]

Re: Eliaquim Mangala

I agree we have a team that will need a rebuild in afew years but ours CB's age is pretty low VK 28, MDM 33 and MN 21 plus Rekik at 19 we can afford to bring in a CB in his mid to late 20's who is a competent experienced defender. PSG overpaid for Luiz everyone and his dog knows it but we arnt in the position to do the same we are taking ffp seriously. There are a number of players who have more reasonable release fee who I believe would be very solid for us. Think we are gambling that Mangala will improve because of his age but a lot of players never fulfil their potential.