Elon Musk

[dave_blue12]

Interesting! This guy is has been tagged as Head of French Cybercrime

 

[BlueHammer85]

Can’t decide if he thought he’d actually win the poll, or if he’s had enough and wants to appoint a new CEO anyway. Either way, I’ll take any kind of public humiliation for him.

I’ve voted Yes but also feel he has something up his sleeve- he could appoint Trump to take over! Or something ridiculous

 

[I'm With Stupid]

He's trying to micro manage Twitter and pander to these weird alt right accounts that slob him off. All going tits up, Jack Dorsey wondering wtf has happened.

Didn't Jack Dorsey support his bid to run Twitter? Maybe he fell for the hype like so many others.

Or perhaps like so many tech bros, he thinks his judgement is never in need of oversight.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Interesting! This guy is has been tagged as Head of French Cybercrime

I've always wondered why that's not already the case. When some child porn ends up on Pornhub, for example, I don't see how the entire company isn't shut down instantly and the owners arrested for distributing it. I don't see why they're able to hide behind the fact that 'it wasn't us, it was our users' any more than a newspaper can claim that it wasn't them it was one of their journalists.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I've always wondered why that's not already the case. When some child porn ends up on Pornhub, for example, I don't see how the entire company isn't shut down instantly and the owners arrested for distributing it. I don't see why they're able to hide behind the fact that 'it wasn't us, it was our users' any more than a newspaper can claim that it wasn't them it was one of their journalists.

They claim to be the printing press and each account is the newspaper. Its a thin argument but has held in court for a long time.

But there is a point t where the actions of a platform would undermine the argument. Deleting content for editorial reasons is one and is pointed out above. The rules have to be applied evenly or the platform is shaping the content. Musk is clearly not applying the rules evenly.

 

[threespires]

They claim to be the printing press and each account is the newspaper. Its a thin argument but has held in court for a long time.

But there is a point t where the actions of a platform would undermine the argument. Deleting content for editorial reasons is one and is pointed out above. The rules have to be applied evenly or the platform is shaping the content. Musk is clearly not applying the rules evenly.

It's held but it's never been a legitimate argument because the printing press doesn't make it's money via advertising revenues and doesn't affect the distribution of what is printed on it's press in order to max that revenue. The tech companies have run rings round the legislators since the inception of these platforms. Some decent lawmakers and a few high profile incarcerations won't entirely fix the issues but it'll be a good start.

 

[dave_blue12]

It's held but it's never been a legitimate argument because the printing press doesn't make it's money via advertising revenues and doesn't affect the distribution of what is printed on it's press in order to max that revenue. The tech companies have run rings round the legislators simce the inception of these platforms. Some decent lawmakers and a few high profile incarcerations won't entirely fix the issues but it'll be a good start.

I would love to see the EU go after Musk. The stench of boiling fascist piss would be off the scale.

 

[domalino]

how much expertise do you think the likes of BMW has in the software market? Next to zero, they know absolutely jack shite.

Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong here.

BMW and all the major car manufacturers have had massive software teams for 20+ years. They dwarf Tesla. You know that the entire VW diesel emissions scandal was all run by software detecting when the cars were being tested? Software runs everything in your car and has done since before Tesla existed.

Tesla has some advantages on energy efficiency, and getting range out of batteries, but everyone else has all but caught up.

 

[domalino]

Can’t decide if he thought he’d actually win the poll, or if he’s had enough and wants to appoint a new CEO anyway. Either way, I’ll take any kind of public humiliation for him.

I am absolutely certain he could simply change the vote counter if he wanted to win it.

More likely he's burned himself out.

Getting booed off the stage at the Dave Chappelle show seems to have been a bit of a turning point, I think he tweeted afterwards he was used to getting negative reception online but not in person before.

Since then his decisions have not even made sense according to the rules he's created for Twitter 2.0 over the last month.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I am absolutely certain he could simply change the vote counter if he wanted to win it.

More likely he's burned himself out.

Getting booed off the stage at the Dave Chappelle show seems to have been a bit of a turning point, I think he tweeted afterwards he was used to getting negative reception online but not in person before.

Since then his decisions have not even made sense according to the rules he's created for Twitter 2.0 over the last month.

I hope this is the case

he keeps repeating 'be careful what you wish for' ... unless he has someone else lined up to takeover ?

 

[domalino]

I've always wondered why that's not already the case. When some child porn ends up on Pornhub, for example, I don't see how the entire company isn't shut down instantly and the owners arrested for distributing it. I don't see why they're able to hide behind the fact that 'it wasn't us, it was our users' any more than a newspaper can claim that it wasn't them it was one of their journalists.

This all stems from the 90's.

Basically old libel laws decided that you're either a distributor or a publisher. A book shop is a distributor, so you can't sue them for stuff appearing in the books they sell. A newspaper is a publisher, they are liable.

In the 1990s The US govt passed an act called the communicatrions decency act that, after a few challenges at the supreme court essentially laid out that internet service providers, forums and social media sites are distributors as long as they don't start behaving like a publisher by editorialising content.


If you want to know more there's a good podcast on it here.

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openargs.com

 

[inbetween]

Sorry, you have got absolutely no idea what you're talking about here, and this sentence is all the confirmation anyone needed.

BMW and all the major car manufacturers have had massive software teams for 20+ years. They dwarf Tesla. You know that the entire VW diesel emissions scandal was all run by software detecting when the cars were being tested? Software runs everything in your car and has done since before Tesla existed.

lol, if BMW has these incredible and massive software teams then I have to ask what those software teams are doing with their time?? I had zero software updates in the 2 years I owned my BMW except for sat nav updates which I had to pay £90 a year for and had to do myself by USB.

I really don't know what other software features my BMW had, it didn't have Spotify streaming and I certainly couldn't warm it up or defrost it before I went out. It also definitely couldn't drive itself, park itself and you couldn't watch Netflix or Youtube on a big massive screen whilst waiting to pickup someone.

I've had my Tesla 3 weeks and I've had 2 software updates over the air. The last update gave Apple Music streaming which we didn't have before. There are a thousand other software features to go through and they add value and make the car better and then you get updates that add more, you do not get this with any other car manufacturer.

If you're going to invest then where do you put your money for the future? Do you really put it into the car companies that have failed to invest and innovate over decades? These are the companies that spend your money to employ teams to cheat emissions tests, rob you blind through expensive servicing and provide you with a comparatively really shite driver experience.... If those are the gold standard then I really do worry about people's sanity.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

lol, if BMW has these incredible and massive software teams then I have to ask what those software teams are doing with their time?? I had zero software updates in the 2 years I owned my BMW except for sat nav updates which I had to pay £90 a year for and had to do myself by USB.

I really don't know what other software features my BMW had, it didn't have Spotify streaming and I certainly couldn't warm it up or defrost it before I went out. It also definitely couldn't drive itself, park itself and you couldn't watch Netflix or Youtube on a big massive screen whilst waiting to pickup someone.

I've had my Tesla 3 weeks and I've had 2 software updates over the air. The last update gave Apple Music streaming which we didn't have before. There are a thousand other software features to go through and they add value and make the car better and then you get updates that add more, you do not get this with any other car manufacturer.

If you're going to invest then where do you put your money for the future? Do you really put it into the car companies that have failed to invest and innovate over decades? These are the companies that spend your money to employ teams to cheat emissions tests, rob you blind through expensive servicing and provide you with a comparatively really shite driver experience.... If those are the gold standard then I really do worry about people's sanity.

Tesla, the stock, is a bad buy not because the cars are bad. Its all linked to how much money they make out of cars. It's hard to make money out of manufacturing and selling cars. Tesla receives massive government grants and makes a very small amount of money. Take the grants away they make massive losses.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Elon Musk will step down as Twitter boss - if he stands by his pledge to abide by the results of a poll asking users for their verdict on his tenure.

The owner of Tesla and SpaceX set his poll in motion just after 11pm UK time, writing: "Should I step down as head of Twitter?

"I will abide by the results of this poll."

And as the deadline passed at 11.20am, 57.5% voted for him to leave.

 

[Phil1]

lol, if BMW has these incredible and massive software teams then I have to ask what those software teams are doing with their time?? I had zero software updates in the 2 years I owned my BMW except for sat nav updates which I had to pay £90 a year for and had to do myself by USB.

I really don't know what other software features my BMW had, it didn't have Spotify streaming and I certainly couldn't warm it up or defrost it before I went out. It also definitely couldn't drive itself, park itself and you couldn't watch Netflix or Youtube on a big massive screen whilst waiting to pickup someone.

I've had my Tesla 3 weeks and I've had 2 software updates over the air. The last update gave Apple Music streaming which we didn't have before. There are a thousand other software features to go through and they add value and make the car better and then you get updates that add more, you do not get this with any other car manufacturer.

If you're going to invest then where do you put your money for the future? Do you really put it into the car companies that have failed to invest and innovate over decades? These are the companies that spend your money to employ teams to cheat emissions tests, rob you blind through expensive servicing and provide you with a comparatively really shite driver experience.... If those are the gold standard then I really do worry about people's sanity.

Ahh, you have a Tesla. Starting to make sense now why you’d defend Musk so vehemently...

 

[aguero93:20]

This all stems from the 90's.

Basically old libel laws decided that you're either a distributor or a publisher. A book shop is a distributor, so you can't sue them for stuff appearing in the books they sell. A newspaper is a publisher, they are liable.

In the 1990s The US govt passed an act called the communicatrions decency act that, after a few challenges at the supreme court essentially laid out that internet service providers, forums and social media sites are distributors as long as they don't start behaving like a publisher by editorialising content.


If you want to know more there's a good podcast on it here.

OA390: Trump’s War on Twitter (A Deep Dive on Section 230)

Today’s episode breaks down the latest temper tantrum and accompanying executive order by our game show host president attacking social media platforms for having the temerity to engage in fa…

openargs.com

Hence why bluemoon is hosted in the US and not the UK.

 

[inbetween]

Ahh, you have a Tesla. Starting to make sense now why you’d defend Musk so vehemently...

I'm not defending Musk and personally I don't think there's much to defend because I really couldn't care less about Twitter because I don't post or go on it. He probably made a mistake buying it and he's probably not doing great with it but so what?

All I know is I drive a Tesla and it's the best car I've ever driven. In comparison to my old BMW it's like comparing a typewriter with an iPad.

I'll just ask again in the grand scheme of things are people more excited at the prospect of a Tesla or a VW? Ask which company the brightest young people are more energised by and want to work for? Are they really looking to work for a company that spends less effort on the driver experience than it does on cheating emissions tests?

That's what you get with the current auto industry and I'm very hopeful that the likes of Tesla will blow it apart as should you be. Musk has already done exactly the same thing in the space industry.

 

[metalblue]

Elon Musk will step down as Twitter boss - if he stands by his pledge to abide by the results of a poll asking users for their verdict on his tenure.

The owner of Tesla and SpaceX set his poll in motion just after 11pm UK time, writing: "Should I step down as head of Twitter?

"I will abide by the results of this poll."

And as the deadline passed at 11.20am, 57.5% voted for him to leave.

He’s said he’s stepping down. Bloke is mental

 

[Coatigan]

Elon Musk will step down as Twitter boss - if he stands by his pledge to abide by the results of a poll asking users for their verdict on his tenure.

The owner of Tesla and SpaceX set his poll in motion just after 11pm UK time, writing: "Should I step down as head of Twitter?

"I will abide by the results of this poll."

And as the deadline passed at 11.20am, 57.5% voted for him to leave.

I'm surprised it is that low.

 

[Uptop]

He’s said he’s stepping down. Bloke is mental

Sound like he just trying to do damage control, he will likely put a new "face" in place who can try steady things after he fucked it all up. If he keeps quiet for a while people will forget about it if the new "face" just runs it like it used to be and Elon stops posting moronic stuff.

In a way I would prefer him to stay so he would further expose what a charlatan he is but I do understand twitter was useful for a lot of people so him running it into the ground would suck.