Elon Musk

[TinFoilHat]

This is madness.

A man was shot in the back in cold blood.

As fucked up as our system is — and I could tell you a thing or two about UHC claims — this isn’t the answer.

There is no other human response.

Just shows you how social media has twisted the human psyche

 

[bluethrunthru]

He was at the opening of Notre Dame with Trump - an event to which only Heads of State were seemingly invited to

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

The law failed to hold him to account so a vigilante stepped in. If you setup a company to have values of the wild west don't be surprised when you meet your end at the hands of a bandit.

The world will not miss that man.

America's gun problem becomes the perfect real life buffer against its problem with endemic corruption in the healthcare insurance industry.

Jesus Christ.

And here we are, at the precipice of The Purge.

Monstrous.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Jesus Christ.

And here we are, at the precipice of The Purge.

Monstrous.

It's the natural consequences of letting corporations getting away with excesses.

It's not the solution, it's not a positive, it's the reality.

It may be amoral to post an emoji at someone's death but it's immoral to use AI to limit paying out legitimate claims.

Even multimillionaire CEOs who usually have bodyguards aren't immune from the consequences of pissing lots of people off, and pissing the wrong people off.

The reaction to the death should be a wake-up call for politicians. The democratic party aren't going to get back in power on status quo politics and delivering nothing.

It's not really surprising that Trump and Musk are so popular and successful when they have successfully managed to craft anti-establishment personas despite being archetypal robber barron Industrialists.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Here’s the state of America right now — re: the CEO of UH who was murdered:

In one stark example, a Facebook post by UnitedHealth Group expressing sadness about UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson’s death received 62,000 reactions – 57,000 of them laughing emojis. UnitedHealth Group is the parent company of UnitedHealthcare, the division that Thompson ran.

That’s what discourse has disintegrated into. Laughing at murder.

Musk can say and do whatever he wants with little consequence — same with Trump.

Would hazard a guess the vast majority of those emoji responses are from bot fake accounts - Russia/China usually have a hand in this sort of thing. It’s a messed up world.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

It's the natural consequences of letting corporations getting away with excesses.

It's not the solution, it's not a positive, it's the reality.

It may be amoral to post an emoji at someone's death but it's immoral to use AI to limit paying out legitimate claims.

Even multimillionaire CEOs who usually have bodyguards aren't immune from the consequences of pissing lots of people off, and pissing the wrong people off.

The reaction to the death should be a wake-up call for politicians. The democratic party aren't going to get back in power on status quo politics and delivering nothing.

It's not really surprising that Trump and Musk are so popular and successful when they have successfully managed to craft anti-establishment personas despite being archetypal robber barron Industrialists.

It's not the solution? You just called it a "wake up call". You just said this is the consequences of this guy's actions despite literally knowing nothing about him. Quite clearly you think it IS a solution.

Sometimes I wonder if some of you have ever held a fucking job, managed people, have families and children or have any responsibilities to anyone else whatsoever.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It's not the solution? You just called it a "wake up call". You just said this is the consequences of this guy's actions despite literally knowing nothing about him. Quite clearly you think it IS a solution.

Do you think people just read snippets on twitter or memes? Or is it possible that we can find out how he ran the business and the fact that his company ranked number 1 for rejection rates and that it increased during his tenure? He had responsibilities but bore no responsibilities for the consequences of the decisions he made?

It's no more of a solution than shooting dead drug dealers is a solution to a drugs epidemic because someone will replace him. It's just reality.

Sometimes I wonder if some of you have ever held a fucking job, managed people, have families and children or have any responsibilities to anyone else whatsoever.

Christ. Just like none of the people that would call themselves victims of United healthcare group for rejecting valid claims.

None of those people have responsibilities either.

You frequently remind us that you live in a well insulated bubble.

 

[inbetween]

Tesla don’t have economies of scale. They’re a tiny car manufacturer. Even in the states they’re something like 10th in car sales. Worldwide they’re a minnow.

Removing EV subsidies in the USA would probably bankrupt Tesla by the end of Trumps next term.

As it stands Musk could raise enough equity to buy some of the biggest major car manufacturers twice over. Ford just for example Ford is worth $42bn whereas Tesla is worth $1.2tn.

Tesla therefore would not be bankrupted by any loss of subsidies because they don't even need to make money and until recently they didn't make money, they can always raise money through equity to finance the company. How else did City not go bankrupt in the early ADUG days given years of successive losses?

You also have to ask what do we have to gain from the legacy car manufacturers who are so dependent on oil? Similar to EV subsidies with Tesla, what would happen to them if the oil dependency was removed tomorrow? Why are European manufacturers fitting cheat devices during emission tests?

It is these legacy companies that have to do or die and not Tesla because Tesla is 10 years ahead of them, plus they have the equity backing to ensure they only succeed.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

You frequently remind us that you live in a well insulated bubble.

Huh. Well, what do you know? Seems as if the murderer has lived quite a bit more of his life in an insulated bubble than I have.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Not sure about that, I do think there’s quite a few that would be now put off getting a Tesla due to Musk.

Me included. Tesla seems like a nice brand (their Cybertruck fiasco notwithstanding), but no way in hell I'm gonna buy one.

 

[inbetween]

Me included. Tesla seems like a nice brand (their Cybertruck fiasco notwithstanding), but no way in hell I'm gonna buy one.

I've got one, best car I've ever driven. You shouldn't let politics worry you otherwise you wouldn't buy any car. The other car companies have probably done far worse to you I can guarantee that.

I've thrown my hat into two class actions against BMW after they allegedly cheated on diesel emissions and also seemingly missold me regarding the commission that the dealer got on brokering the finance.

 

[grunge]

I've got one, best car I've ever driven. You shouldn't let politics worry you otherwise you wouldn't buy any car. The other car companies have probably done far worse to you I can guarantee that.

I've thrown my hat into two class actions against BMW after they allegedly cheated on diesel emissions and also seemingly missold me regarding the commission that the dealer got on brokering the finance.

My problem with Tesla is the fact they have a history of messing with cars via software updates. there was one story of a guy who took his tesla to an official garage for a repair, they didn't have the right size battery in stock so they put in the larger one and gave the car an increased range.

He sold the car on and as soon as he did Tesla added an intentional limit to the range the car could do via a software patch. in effect crippling the car's capacity. To me thats a big no no. if it was an unofficial addon that could cause damage then you could maybe see a valid reason but this was something else entirely in my view.

And if they did it for 1 car that shows the intent to do it to any they want to.

Other car company's could well do the same but there doesn't seem to be any reports of it happening.

 

[domalino]

Would hazard a guess the vast majority of those emoji responses are from bot fake accounts - Russia/China usually have a hand in this sort of thing. It’s a messed up world.

I doubt it seeing the general response in the US. The shooting is literally being used for punchlines on the late night tv circuit, milllions and millions of Americans have very little or no sympathy for this man who made millions from fucking over normal people at their most vulnerable.

 

[domalino]

As it stands Musk could raise enough equity to buy some of the biggest major car manufacturers twice over. Ford just for example Ford is worth $42bn whereas Tesla is worth $1.2tn.

You do know this is complete and utter nonsense right?

 

[inbetween]

You do know this is complete and utter nonsense right?

Why is it nonsense?

City are valued at an estimated £4bn but we only make what £80m profit per year? Did the Sheikh really buy city because he wanted a business that made £80m a year? That's nonsense.

The Sheikh bought city as an asset, he originally paid £200m and if city are apparently worth £4bn then that's a mere +1900% return. Assets are valued by what somebody else is prepared to pay. City as a brand for example are worth something and so is our intellectual property, you can't reduce that to a profit/loss account.

Tesla has 3,198,000,000 shares in issue and they're currently trading at $400 each. That's a market capitalisation of $1,279,200,000,000 = $1.28tn. Do the same maths for Ford and they're worth what $40bn? Musk could easily buy Ford if he wanted to, it would make far more sense than buying Twitter for $40bn which never made a single penny of profit.

If you had to invest in a future asset then ask yourself today would you rather hold Ford shares or Tesla shares? If you had bought Tesla shares just 5 years ago then you'd be sat on twenty times your original investment whereas with Ford you'd probably still have whatever you started with.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Why is it nonsense?

City are valued at an estimated £4bn but we only make what £80m profit per year? Did the Sheikh really buy city because he wanted a business that made £80m a year? That's nonsense.

The Sheikh bought city as an asset, he originally paid £200m and if city are apparently worth £4bn then that's a mere +1900% return. Assets are valued by what somebody else is prepared to pay. City as a brand for example are worth something and so is our intellectual property, you can't reduce that to a profit/loss account.

Tesla has 3,198,000,000 shares in issue and they're currently trading at $400 each. That's a market capitalisation of $1,279,200,000,000 = $1.28tn. Do the same maths for Ford and they're worth what $40bn? Musk could easily buy Ford if he wanted to, it would make far more sense than buying Twitter for $40bn which never made a single penny of profit.

If you had to invest in a future asset then ask yourself today would you rather hold Ford shares or Tesla shares? If you had bought Tesla shares just 5 years ago then you'd be sat on twenty times your original investment whereas with Ford you'd probably still have whatever you started with.

Because Ford's assets are worth much more than their market cap. And Mollusc has most of his personal shareholding in Tesla already tied up as guarantees for loans to buy twitter four times it's actual worth.

 

[inbetween]

Because Ford's assets are worth much more than their market cap. And Mollusc has most of his personal shareholding in Tesla already tied up as guarantees for loans to buy twitter four times it's actual worth.

Physical assets maybe but is all that matters? Blimey, what a fantastic world of grey. I guess with your hopeful demise of Tesla the most we should really look forward to is shite cars and the annual 5% dividend?

Are we served better by companies that build new technology almost as a non-profit or are we served better by a boring bland conglamorate which only serves its shareholders? Which would you want to create jobs in the UK?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Not long now till he gives Reform some pocket money to see them in power next election

 

[domalino]

Why is it nonsense?

City are valued at an estimated £4bn but we only make what £80m profit per year? Did the Sheikh really buy city because he wanted a business that made £80m a year? That's nonsense.

The Sheikh bought city as an asset, he originally paid £200m and if city are apparently worth £4bn then that's a mere +1900% return. Assets are valued by what somebody else is prepared to pay. City as a brand for example are worth something and so is our intellectual property, you can't reduce that to a profit/loss account.

Tesla has 3,198,000,000 shares in issue and they're currently trading at $400 each. That's a market capitalisation of $1,279,200,000,000 = $1.28tn. Do the same maths for Ford and they're worth what $40bn? Musk could easily buy Ford if he wanted to, it would make far more sense than buying Twitter for $40bn which never made a single penny of profit.

If you had to invest in a future asset then ask yourself today would you rather hold Ford shares or Tesla shares? If you had bought Tesla shares just 5 years ago then you'd be sat on twenty times your original investment whereas with Ford you'd probably still have whatever you started with.

Market cap doesn’t mean anything.

Perhaps the simplest and easiest explanation of that is to simply remind you that Musk had to put up over 50% of his Tesla stock (worth approx $60Bn on paper) as security for $4Bn worth of loans to buy Twitter.

Speaking of Twitter, Musk had to overpay by 4x, so that $40Bn valuation of Ford is meaningless when he’d likely see little change out of $150Bn.

Tesla as a company of course couldn’t raise the money because they are tiny.

And that’s before we even talk about how trying to sell off $40Bn of stock or borrow against more of it would probably burst the Tesla bubble and the most shorted stock in the world because of its awful business fundamental would finally see its value readjusted to meet reality.

 

[blueinsa]

Not long now till he gives Reform some pocket money to see them in power next election

You seem desperate for it too happen?

So much so it’s almost every post you make these days lol.