Elon Musk

grunge said:
At what point do you start to think that maybe, just maybe. he might be? if not Nazi, a Fascist. How many pieces of evidence are needed for you to start to consider it? supporting far right groups and individuals? following pro Apartheid groups on twitter? using known white supremacist cartoon characters as his avatar? Nazi/Mussolini Roman salutes on stage.. not once but twice?

while I don't personally think he's a fully fledge Nazi, I dont think he's far from it and he's rapidly moving further and further right. He's caught in his own twitter bubble and its feeding him hate.
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Probably thinks Gerry Adams wasn’t a member of the IRA
 
grunge said:
At what point do you start to think that maybe, just maybe. he might be? if not Nazi, a Fascist. How many pieces of evidence are needed for you to start to consider it? supporting far right groups and individuals? following pro Apartheid groups on twitter? using known white supremacist cartoon characters as his avatar? Nazi/Mussolini Roman salutes on stage.. not once but twice?

while I don't personally think he's a fully fledge Nazi, I dont think he's far from it and he's rapidly moving further and further right. He's caught in his own twitter bubble and its feeding him hate.
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When he starts advocating for racial purity, sets up concentration camps and wants to exterminate Jews.

Rather than "follows someone on Twitter", "knows mainstream right wing Americans" and "uses a Pepe The Frog based avatar".

Sometimes I wonder if you guys hear yourself any more
 
Has anyone ever seen a friend or family member do what Musk did the other day? Anyone?

For clarity, somebody doing it whilst half-cut on a night out isn't quite the same thing.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
He's welcome to sue me. I'll cite the pedo guy judgement in defence.

Weird try-hard makes Bill Gates seem as effortlessly charming and cool as George Clooney.
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That won’t work.
The paedo charge failed because the English guy sued Musk in the US where the libel law required him to prove he wasn’t a paedophile.
In the U.K. it is the other way around, so the libel law here would require you to prove he was a nonce.
 
Blue and true said:
Has anyone ever seen a friend or family member do what Musk did the other day? Anyone?

For clarity, somebody doing it whilst half-cut on a night out isn't quite the same thing.
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Imagine doing that at work and then getting all self righteous when people pulled you up on it?
 
BrianW said:
Fancy people discussing politics on the politics sub-forum. What is the world coming to?

When I go into a politics forum I expect to find posts of fluffy kittens and people posting photos of what they had for dinner.

I think summat ought to be done about it.

In addition, Ric needs to start a trolleybus sub-form so we can talk about cheese biscuits.
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Blue and true said:
Has anyone ever seen a friend or family member do what Musk did the other day? Anyone?
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Here's the two options:

1. A visibly excited and socially awkward man who was dancing around shouting and wildly gesticulating on stage, does a gesture where he touches his heart and points at the audience was talking about how his "heart goes out to you", and the connotations to Nazis was a mere coincidence, after which he started talking about the need to hope for the future and space exploration while still wildly gesticulating.

2. A visibly excited and socially awkward man who was dancing around shouting and wildly gesticulating on stage, decided in front of global cameras and every journalist on the planet watching that now would be the best time to reveal he's a hidden Nazi and do a Nazi salute to the audience, and the heart thing was a mere coincidence, after which he started talking about the need to hope for the future and space exploration while still wildly gesticulating.

Some people think two is the more likely option. And I have lots of questions there.

Oh I guess the third option is that he accidentally did a Nazi salute because he was wildly gesticulating and its a salute he often does in other venues away from cameras and his muscle memory kicked in. But again, I have questions.

Even the ADL gave him the benefit of the doubt after seeing the video in context and they hate the guys guts and have accused him or Nazi-adjacency in the past.
 
Damocles said:
When he starts advocating for racial purity, sets up concentration camps and wants to exterminate Jews.

Rather than "follows someone on Twitter", "knows mainstream right wing Americans" and "uses a Pepe The Frog based avatar".

Sometimes I wonder if you guys hear yourself any more
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Which is why I specified fascist rather than Nazi. and im guessing you didn't read my whole post and just jumped to conclusions.
 
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Damocles said:
Here's the two options:

1. A visibly excited and socially awkward man who was dancing around shouting and wildly gesticulating on stage, does a gesture where he touches his heart and points at the audience was talking about how his "heart goes out to you", and the connotations to Nazis was a mere coincidence, after which he started talking about the need to hope for the future and space exploration while still wildly gesticulating.

2. A visibly excited and socially awkward man who was dancing around shouting and wildly gesticulating on stage, decided in front of global cameras and every journalist on the planet watching that now would be the best time to reveal he's a hidden Nazi and do a Nazi salute to the audience, and the heart thing was a mere coincidence, after which he started talking about the need to hope for the future and space exploration while still wildly gesticulating.

Some people think two is the more likely option. And I have lots of questions there.

Oh I guess the third option is that he accidentally did a Nazi salute because he was wildly gesticulating and its a salute he often does in other venues away from cameras and his muscle memory kicked in. But again, I have questions.

Even the ADL gave him the benefit of the doubt after seeing the video in context and they hate the guys guts and have accused him or Nazi-adjacency in the past.
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they certainly didn't after his follow up tweets about it.

I'll raise the "visibly excited" to "high as a kite" though.
 
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Damocles said:
Here's the two options:

1. A visibly excited and socially awkward man who was dancing around shouting and wildly gesticulating on stage, does a gesture where he touches his heart and points at the audience was talking about how his "heart goes out to you", and the connotations to Nazis was a mere coincidence, after which he started talking about the need to hope for the future and space exploration while still wildly gesticulating.

2. A visibly excited and socially awkward man who was dancing around shouting and wildly gesticulating on stage, decided in front of global cameras and every journalist on the planet watching that now would be the best time to reveal he's a hidden Nazi and do a Nazi salute to the audience, and the heart thing was a mere coincidence, after which he started talking about the need to hope for the future and space exploration while still wildly gesticulating.

Some people think two is the more likely option. And I have lots of questions there.

Oh I guess the third option is that he accidentally did a Nazi salute because he was wildly gesticulating and its a salute he often does in other venues away from cameras and his muscle memory kicked in. But again, I have questions.

Even the ADL gave him the benefit of the doubt after seeing the video in context and they hate the guys guts and have accused him or Nazi-adjacency in the past.
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Option 3 (and the most likely in my opinion). Someone working in the background, pulling trump’s strings (likely someone like Steven Miller, who has a track record of sneaking ‘accidental/ coincidental’ nazi shit into things) told him exactly what to do and how to make it half look like he didn’t mean it.
 
roman totale said:
Option 3 (and the most likely in my opinion). Someone working in the background, pulling trump’s strings (likely someone like Steven Miller, who has a track record of sneaking ‘accidental/ coincidental’ nazi shit into things) told him exactly what to do and how to make it half look like he didn’t mean it.
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I think it’s this all day long. Enough ambiguity to “get away” with it whilst gaining maximum exposure and discourse.

The bloke’s a troll with somewhat seemingly sinister tendencies.
 
Damocles said:
Here's the two options:

1. A visibly excited and socially awkward man who was dancing around shouting and wildly gesticulating on stage, does a gesture where he touches his heart and points at the audience was talking about how his "heart goes out to you", and the connotations to Nazis was a mere coincidence, after which he started talking about the need to hope for the future and space exploration while still wildly gesticulating.

2. A visibly excited and socially awkward man who was dancing around shouting and wildly gesticulating on stage, decided in front of global cameras and every journalist on the planet watching that now would be the best time to reveal he's a hidden Nazi and do a Nazi salute to the audience, and the heart thing was a mere coincidence, after which he started talking about the need to hope for the future and space exploration while still wildly gesticulating.

Some people think two is the more likely option. And I have lots of questions there.

Oh I guess the third option is that he accidentally did a Nazi salute because he was wildly gesticulating and its a salute he often does in other venues away from cameras and his muscle memory kicked in. But again, I have questions.

Even the ADL gave him the benefit of the doubt after seeing the video in context and they hate the guys guts and have accused him or Nazi-adjacency in the past.
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Didn't answer my question.

Anyway, I suppose it is unfair to see it as a fascist salute, given his past. After all, if it looks like a duck, and swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably isn't a duck. So even though it was a carbon copy of a salute popularized by fascists and Nazis, yeh I'll put it down as a coincidence.
 
roman totale said:
Option 3 (and the most likely in my opinion). Someone working in the background, pulling trump’s strings (likely someone like Steven Miller, who has a track record of sneaking ‘accidental/ coincidental’ nazi shit into things) told him exactly what to do and how to make it half look like he didn’t mean it.
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This all day long. Miller was responsible for that rally at MSG last year that was 100% a nod to the nazi version in the 1930s. And as for Musk, he's come out fully in support of the AfD in germany, who are basically Nazis, so yes, there is form. Musk probably thinks it's funny being a nazi because he a ket addled ****.
 
Damocles said:
Here's the two options:

1. A visibly excited and socially awkward man who was dancing around shouting and wildly gesticulating on stage, does a gesture where he touches his heart and points at the audience was talking about how his "heart goes out to you", and the connotations to Nazis was a mere coincidence, after which he started talking about the need to hope for the future and space exploration while still wildly gesticulating.

2. A visibly excited and socially awkward man who was dancing around shouting and wildly gesticulating on stage, decided in front of global cameras and every journalist on the planet watching that now would be the best time to reveal he's a hidden Nazi and do a Nazi salute to the audience, and the heart thing was a mere coincidence, after which he started talking about the need to hope for the future and space exploration while still wildly gesticulating.

Some people think two is the more likely option. And I have lots of questions there.

Oh I guess the third option is that he accidentally did a Nazi salute because he was wildly gesticulating and its a salute he often does in other venues away from cameras and his muscle memory kicked in. But again, I have questions.

Even the ADL gave him the benefit of the doubt after seeing the video in context and they hate the guys guts and have accused him or Nazi-adjacency in the past.
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3. A visibly excited and socially awkward man knew exactly doing this 'gesture' would have everyone speculating if it was linked to Nazism or not, a great distraction from all the backward steps Trump was signing off and also a chance to go on his platform later to denounce the left for once again linking him to facism.
 
bluejon said:
This all day long. Miller was responsible for that rally at MSG last year that was 100% a nod to the nazi version in the 1930s. And as for Musk, he's come out fully in support of the AfD in germany, who are basically Nazis, so yes, there is form. Musk probably thinks it's funny being a nazi because he a ket addled ****.
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This is correct. He is both ket addled, and a ****.
 
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