Empty seats.. worsening trend?

[Gingers Dad]

I am serious. If you can't go to more than half the games, the club should take the seasoncard off you and give it someone else. (I am not talking about 99% attendance, or 80% as has been suggested. But half would seem reasonable imho. If you can't go to half the games, you should not have a season ticket in my view.)

It might piss you right off, but it would make someone else very happy and the stadium would be more full. Overall a good result.

Season Tickets should be for supporters. Supporters attend matches on a regular basis and worry more about the result than what time they get home.

Full marks for arrogance. If you want to set the parameters for the definition of a "supporter", perhaps time and money invested, and inconvenience endured, should be included as well as games attended. Either way, unless you've been going fairly religiously, home and away, since the late 70's/early 80's, you're unlikely to worst me in this argument......not that it matters anyway. A supporter is someone who loves his club (preferably since childhood), and attends as often as he can, as his or her financial, domestic, or employment circumstances dictate

I've said earlier in the thread that if people who don't intend really using their season tickets stop buying them then match day ticket prices would have to go down. I read your own contributions in this thread and presumably that would suit your own circumstances better? But I stick by what I said a supporter does exactly that. Not really bothered what you did in the 70's and 80's it doesn't give you the right to leave a seat empty so that some other guy has to pay £50 plus to attend a single game

 

[moomba]

It's the same everywhere. Stop worrying about what other people think of us and enjoy your life.

In answer to your question, you buy your SC, it's yours, you attend whatever games you choose to.

If you buy a new coat, the shop doesn't tell you when to wear it ;.)

Spot. On

If people who don't intend to use their season tickets much stop buying them there will be more match day tickets available. Presumably then the price of match day tickets will come down allowing people who can't afford them now to go to matches.

Absolute rubbish.

 

[heartman]

Been reading this with interest. Both sides of the argument are valid. What I don't understand is why don't season ticket holders seat get resold for games they don't/can't attend. In Melbourne in the Sellout games the season ticket holders have to book their seats, if they don't by a particular date they are then sold. It's a small booking fee $2 and you need to go online via the ticketing outlet. It's a bit of a pain, but at the end of it reduces empty seats.

 

[moomba]

Off the top of my head,

1) It's not just a financial transaction; there's implications for the atmosphere and match-day experience of everyone concerned.

2) Getting a season ticket is imho a privilege not a right. And with the privilege comes - again imho - some responsibilities, one of which is to turn up.

3) You are preventing someone else from going.

I am fortunate enough to be able to afford a season ticket without too much financial pain, but I don't get one because I know I wouldn't be able to go to that many games and I just don't think it's right for the reasons above.

I don't think anyone has a problem with a season ticket holder missing a few games a season. It's the people who have their ST every year and you never see their seat taken from one game to the next. That's what I have issue with. There's many ST holders who go to perhaps 5 games a season or less I reckon.

Please tell me you're not serious. I've got a season ticket in the North Stand with my two lads. Manchester is 250 miles away. We can't make midweekers due to school and work, and 5:30pm kick offs are also a gigantic pain in the arse travel wise, and I am obliged to occasionally knock them on the head if the train ticket prices are exorbitant. However, I've had the season ticket for donkey's years, I'm not about to give it up, and nor am I disposed to take lectures from people who have the good fortune to live 5 minutes away from the ground. I'm sure there are many others in similar circumstances. There's a great big recession on, people do what they can to attend, and no-one is under any obligation to turn up

I am serious. If you can't go to more than half the games, the club should take the seasoncard off you and give it someone else. (I am not talking about 99% attendance, or 80% as has been suggested. But half would seem reasonable imho. If you can't go to half the games, you should not have a season ticket in my view.)

It might piss you right off, but it would make someone else very happy and the stadium would be more full. Overall a good result.

Until we extend the stadium and are trying to sell an extra 12k seats have just told long term supporters who are spending good money at the club to fuck off.

 

[Gingers Dad]

Spot. On

If people who don't intend to use their season tickets much stop buying them there will be more match day tickets available. Presumably then the price of match day tickets will come down allowing people who can't afford them now to go to matches.

Absolute rubbish.

Why? Don't you understand market forces, more supply against demand will bring down prices

 

[moomba]

Been reading this with interest. Both sides of the argument are valid. What I don't understand is why don't season ticket holders seat get resold for games they don't/can't attend. In Melbourne in the Sellout games the season ticket holders have to book their seats, if they don't by a particular date they are then sold. It's a small booking fee $2 and you need to go online via the ticketing outlet. It's a bit of a pain, but at the end of it reduces empty seats.

Very difficult to resell officially. You need to go through Viagogo which is a legalised touting service.

Unofficial a bit easier, but can be difficult to hand over your card and get it back.

 

[squirtyflower]

Been reading this with interest. Both sides of the argument are valid. What I don't understand is why don't season ticket holders seat get resold for games they don't/can't attend. In Melbourne in the Sellout games the season ticket holders have to book their seats, if they don't by a particular date they are then sold. It's a small booking fee $2 and you need to go online via the ticketing outlet. It's a bit of a pain, but at the end of it reduces empty seats.

We have something run by a third party called Viagogo, however it seems they are particularly inefficient and the fees charged exorbitant, which is why some posters have requested that the club organise it similar to your suggestion

 

[JOGAMIGMOG]

The club should have a rethink on where ST are located. IMO the entire lower tier except for the front (soon to be new) three rows should be ST holders only. The whole middle tier should be ST holders only. This leaves the third tier where seats can be purchased on a game-by-game basis.

 

[squirtyflower]

Season Tickets should be for supporters. Supporters attend matches on a regular basis and worry more about the result than what time they get home.

Full marks for arrogance. If you want to set the parameters for the definition of a "supporter", perhaps time and money invested, and inconvenience endured, should be included as well as games attended. Either way, unless you've been going fairly religiously, home and away, since the late 70's/early 80's, you're unlikely to worst me in this argument......not that it matters anyway. A supporter is someone who loves his club (preferably since childhood), and attends as often as he can, as his or her financial, domestic, or employment circumstances dictate

I've said earlier in the thread that if people who don't intend really using their season tickets stop buying them then match day ticket prices would have to go down. I read your own contributions in this thread and presumably that would suit your own circumstances better? But I stick by what I said a supporter does exactly that. Not really bothered what you did in the 70's and 80's it doesn't give you the right to leave a seat empty so that some other guy has to pay £50 plus to attend a single game

He has every right to leave his seat empty if he so wishes.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

In direct response to the question posed in the OP.

Everything's relative.