That's a bit of a stupid way of looking at it, that bottom part. If they had the best player in the world who happened to be English, (no Jones jokes!), and he did the business for England, how could you not be happy at that? He is an England player at that point, not a United one.Fuzzy Logic said:I don't agree that people will suddenly become interested when England are in a major tournament. I understand why they are popular with fans of lower league clubs as they don't get to see big name players on a regular basis but i couldn't care less about international football.
Any team that picks rags will never get my support regardless of whether there are any city players in the team as well.
Jnr Kisby said:I think the 'cant be arsed' attitude comes with the friendlies, much the same as club football. People become bothered with England when they are playing competitive matches in the Euros or the World Cup. Too many pointless games.
johnmc said:Bluemoonie92 said:I support them both, obviously would rather city win things than England but i really dont understand why anyone wouldnt support there national team. Says alot about this country really, the Irish tonight showed us how it should be.
Firstly there is a more diluted population than years gone by. Kids have parents or grandparents now with allegiances to other countries and it dampens the enthusiasm I would say. The country as a whole is less patriotic
Secondly the squad for a while has had several ***** in the team that people can't relate (maybe they always have but overexposed now). The likes of Ashley Cole who nearly crashed his car when only getting £60k a week, Rooney cheating on his pregnant wife, Terry at it with mates birds, Gerrard up for assault etc etc. Now if these players play fly your club then you support them. If they don't you think they are twats. You say you can't understand anyone not supporting England but I don't understand any city fan celebrating a Rooney goal or singing Rooney Rooney.
Thirdly the team have not won anything for what 50 years. That has to have some effect.
And lastly the promotion of the premier league has meant clubs have a higher profile. Champions league is almost the be all and end all. Club football is just far bigger now than it ever has been.
laserblue said:I really couldn't be arsed with England. My only interest is that City players don't get injured.
No one is saying to sing 'Rooney, Rooney'. Back in '98 when Scholes scored v Tunisia, (think it was them), in our first group game, the Crown in town, (where we watched it), erupted with joy. That was blues, reds, whoever. Nobody sang a Scholes song, but we all cheered because it was England we were watching, not United. What would you have done, remained silent until anyone but a non-United player scored? It's not about who scored it when it comes to England, it's just about England winning games. (Or it was when we had a shred of hope of being good in tournaments anyway).Solihull Samba Boys said:johnmc said:Bluemoonie92 said:I support them both, obviously would rather city win things than England but i really dont understand why anyone wouldnt support there national team. Says alot about this country really, the Irish tonight showed us how it should be.
Firstly there is a more diluted population than years gone by. Kids have parents or grandparents now with allegiances to other countries and it dampens the enthusiasm I would say. The country as a whole is less patriotic
Secondly the squad for a while has had several ***** in the team that people can't relate (maybe they always have but overexposed now). The likes of Ashley Cole who nearly crashed his car when only getting £60k a week, Rooney cheating on his pregnant wife, Terry at it with mates birds, Gerrard up for assault etc etc. Now if these players play fly your club then you support them. If they don't you think they are twats. You say you can't understand anyone not supporting England but I don't understand any city fan celebrating a Rooney goal or singing Rooney Rooney.
Thirdly the team have not won anything for what 50 years. That has to have some effect.
And lastly the promotion of the premier league has meant clubs have a higher profile. Champions league is almost the be all and end all. Club football is just far bigger now than it ever has been.
This, this, this. I don't get how any City fan (or Liverpool fan for that matter) can sing that name or that White Pele shit and not feel a bit sick afterwards.
When England play I do want them to win. I was born into supporting them just as I was born into supporting City, and when I was a kid we had players like Shearer, Fowler, McManaman, Owen, Campbell coming through, then we had the ultimately fruitless 'Golden Generation' but at least it was something to get half-excited about. Now it's just dull. Players like Glen Johnson, Ashley Young, Tom fucking Cleverley and Danny fucking Welbeck get picked for the squad simply based on who they play for just to satisfy the plastic hoardes. They are no better than the likes of Jarvis, Lambert, Holt, Nolan as has already been mentioned on this thread.
Add to that the day-tripping and armchair weapons who follow England, the type that think David Beckham is some kind of national treasure and should be knighted/have a statue/be Prime Minister/be King/be cloned. Those who think Scott Parker is some kind of saviour to the nation because he runs about a bit and throws himself all over the place and Gareth Barry is useless because he doesn't. The late midweek kick-offs that mean realistically no one who lives north of Wolverhampton can get to games unless they take time off work. The plastic support, the plastic flags, the wigs, the foam hands, the facepaint (grown men this!) and all that whoppery.
And that band. That fucking band.