Constantine
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Where in those 195 countries does a football player earn 5 million dollars a year? eh? Iran? Costa Rica? Zamulda?
England v Germany | Nations League | Monday 26th September, 19:45
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Anyone can have a good cup run.
It’s like when we’ve seen Norwich Coventry Swansea Portsmouth Birmingham Wigan etc. win the EFL or FA Cup (three of those sides got relegated from the First Division/Premier League in the seasons they won those Cups… with Portsmouth again getting to a final in 2010 and getting relegated).
Or Liverpool win the 2005 CL or Chelsea win the 2021 CL.
Greece winning the 2004 Euros.
Southgate is not a good coach, he’s tactically boring and in many aspects poor and in many ways he’s wasting the talent we have. We got to the World Cup semis because we didn’t play anyone decent until the semis and as soon as we did play a good team, we lost. We did okay to get to the final of the Euros last year but the only decent side we faced was Germany and we were bloody awful against Denmark and Italy - those Euros were there for the taking (Italy aren’t a good side) and we just sat back and defended a 1-0 lead from the 2nd minute onwards instead of going out and winning the game.
There are also excellent coaches and teams who don’t succeed in cup competitions: Pep and City (in 2021 we won an English record 11 out of the 13 games in the CL, and an English record 7 wins in a row, but didn’t win the comp), Enrique and Spain (miles better team than Italy in that semi last year didn’t take their chances)… neither are looked at as failures because they haven’t succeeded in those compositions because tactically they’re fantastic.
Cup runs should not determine how good a coach is deemed. Moyes isn’t a good coach because he had a decent Europa League run with West Ham last season, it’s mainly because he’s consistently got his teams challenging and finishing around 4th-7th when he’s had a good crack at it with a club.
But mainly with Southgate it’s the continual insipid style, negative tactics, playing three centre backs when we have a distinct lack of cohesion between front and back in the team when passing forwards, sitting back on a narrow lead like we’re some shit side who’ve got lucky to go take a lead in a game and he has no confidence in them to take the game on and win in style, and wasting opportunities with the talent he has.
And doing stupid things like bringing on two subs with seconds to go in the Euros final so they were taking penalties cold.
If Moyes said he was retiring at the end of this season, would you want Southgate to take over? I think West Ham would me mad to go for him and they’d realistically be looking at a much better coach than that.
I’d rather lose in the semis or final playing good, exciting, attacking football with someone else, than lose in the semis or final with Southgate’s tactics. And you never know, someone playing good, exciting, attacking football might just win us trophies with the talent we have at the moment.
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mexico1970
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Would be the same as going, not playing well, getting dropped or being constantly slated when things don’t go well.
I hear what you’re saying but I think they’d take it in their stride and push themselves to do better with City, to show Southgate he was wrong.
However, we’re both spouting hypotheticals as we’re not the players in question. Some move on easily, some are motivated by set backs, some won’t be too fussed due to the current nature of their game for England, and much more.
Nonetheless, I hear what you’re saying. However, with the man at the helm at City, I don’t think it would be a problem. He alongside those at the club will help with the mental side of things.
Hypothetical but if England drop out at the knockout stage or it’s a poor showing like it’s been for a while in the group stage but they just ‘squeeze’ through, are they really missing anything?
Nonetheless, if they’re picked, I’d hope for them to do well. Just the selfish side of me wanting them not to for them sake of longevity/rest with regards to the season.
Coming 2nd is not good enough when you're set up in a defence's shape when having good attacking players and midfielders on the bench, if you go out to win the game in the first place and lose then we can say ok the better team won,
the Fans are not happy because we play shit football and defend in a block of 5 with harry maguire
it took john stones picking up a injury to change and put mount on
England will not win anything with southgate and the system of 5 at the back
Lavinda Past
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This England squad under Southgate wouldn't finish in the top half of the PL. They might put the odd cup run together, but winning a trophy would be a major surprise.
The majority of the England players are working with infinitely better coaches on a day to day basis. Southgate is like a supply teacher in a school, just filling in some basics while the proper teacher is off for a few days.
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Not only that. I am not sure you can just throw the best 11 eleven players together and expect them to perform as they do for their clubs, any more, irrespective of who their national coach is. The game has moved on in the last decade. Formations and positioning, strategies and almost obsessively detailed team coaching has made competitive international football something of an anachronism, imho.
And he deserves it too :)