England v Switzerland - Sat 6th July, 17:00 | Euro 2024 Quarter-Final

[Crooked_rain]

Whoever wins the League is the best team , the best team doesn’t always win the cup but ultimately whoever does has played winning football no matter how bad it has been

I think short international tournaments are much different to a cup that runs over a full season.

You have to go back 20 years to find a real surprise winner of an international tournament when Greece won it.

At least with the Euros and World Cup since then you've pretty much had winners that didn't surprise anyone and were generally the best team, or right amongst it at least. Even when Italy beat England last time out they were on a massive undefeated run and people started tipping them going into the tournament, they looked a good outfit again, but they've fallen off again since then.

So I do think you need to be one of the genuine best few to have a chance of winning an international tournament.

 

[Bozo]

Can't wait to see them get knocked out, once again they've overstayed their welcome at a major tournament.

Bizarre statement.

 

[bluemoon32]

If you hold the trophy up aloft at the end, no one will give a flying fuck how you played to do it

 

[supercity88]

Wouldn't surprise me if Southgate walks even if he does win it. Some of the vitriol is just ridiculous and it's even coming from people with massive platforms.

You have to take so much shit when you are England manager. Even winning isn't enough. Even the players telling everyone how much they rate him and how positive he is for them isn't enough. Apparently losing but playing attacking football is what the fans want.

I've said before, you want a performance early in the competition. You want to get the confidence England can go and win it. You want to see them attack, score lots of goals and gain belief. That helps fans believe we can do it. But now, in the latter stages, all you want is the win. It doesn't matter how it comes about. We've been pretty abysmal. We haven't created many chances. The system looks atrocious in an attacking sense.

But...we're still in it. The subs have come on and made a difference whether they're on after 80 minutes or 89 minutes. They've done their job. Three subs came on, took penalties and scored. Job done.

We can play another filthy game, clinging on for our lives on Wednesday but as long as we win it doesn't matter. Yes it would be great to play well. But saying you'd rather play attacking football and lose, like some on here have, is fucking moronic and they should just admit they don't care about England and stop posting.

 

[hcblue95]

You have to take so much shit when you are England manager. Even winning isn't enough. Even the players telling everyone how much they rate him and how positive he is for them isn't enough. Apparently losing but playing attacking football is what the fans want.

I've said before, you want a performance early in the competition. You want to get the confidence England can go and win it. You want to see them attack, score lots of goals and gain belief. That helps fans believe we can do it. But now, in the latter stages, all you want is the win. It doesn't matter how it comes about. We've been pretty abysmal. We haven't created many chances. The system looks atrocious in an attacking sense.

But...we're still in it. The subs have come on and made a difference whether they're on after 80 minutes or 89 minutes. They've done their job. Three subs came on, took penalties and scored. Job done.

We can play another filthy game, clinging on for our lives on Wednesday but as long as we win it doesn't matter. Yes it would be great to play well. But saying you'd rather play attacking football and lose, like some on here have, is fucking moronic and they should just admit they don't care about England and stop posting.

What you say is true to some extent but over the last 8 years we've beaten the teams ranked well below us and then we've lost in the quarters, semis or final against the first half decent team. So your talk of we're getting the job done winning poorly is all well and good but we know what is likely to happen next. A semi exit will be a failure but hopefully the team surprises me.

 

[Akira]

I think Toney suits Southgate better. He is a more 'straightforward' striker - traditional target man that holds up the ball well. Kane's style of play is more complicated to weave into a team, and he is at his best with quick wing-forward style runners in front him, which England doesn't have this tournament.

Toney is an excellent body in the box for headers and would suit Southgate's preference for defensive football, because he is great for counterattacks.


That said, any discussion is probably moot, because Southgate will not swap the captain, certainly not for a semi-final.

 

[SilverFox2]

Rodri does well for Spain.

Alvarez for Arngentina? No bother

Haaland plays for a shite international side, still has pretty much a goal per game ratio.

Akanji was excellent for the Swiss, penalty aside

Ake looks at home in the Dutch side.

Bernado looks like Bernado playing for Portugal. They're hampered by Ronaldo but Bernado looks his usual self, as does Dias.

not all of these sides don't play like City. They just have managers that are better than Southgate. Some of those teams may not have advanced, it's a team game, but our players don't look like a fish out of water in those teams like they do for England most of the time

So what is wrong with City players in England team?

 

[BlueHammer85]

If you hold the trophy up aloft at the end, no one will give a flying fuck how you played to do it

some will forever harp on how we had the 'easiest matches ever' and 'won it by luck'

They are absolutely preying we lose.

 

[Crooked_rain]

So what is wrong with City players in England team?

The way the team approaches football, which comes from the coaching staff who set out a plan, run the coaching sessions, create the environment around the camp. It all seeps in to performces.

It's not just city players. Bellingham apart from chipping in with the odd goal, it's not like he's involved much like with Real Madrid.

Harry Kane for spurs used to bang goals in from all ranges and angles for spurs, yet for England despite being a record goal scorer, most of his are getting on the end of some scrappy play, against part timers or penalties. You never really saw him scoring great goals or playing like he did for spurs and linking up with players.

I think Rice for Arsenal is much more assertive than he is for England where he looks shit scared on the ball.

Most of the others just play for average teams anyway so you don't see a big difference or drop off

 

[SilverFox2]

The way the team approaches football, which comes from the coaching staff who set out a plan, run the coaching sessions, create the environment around the camp. It all seeps in to performces.

It's not just city players. Bellingham apart from chipping in with the odd goal, it's not like he's involved much like with Real Madrid.

Harry Kane for spurs used to bang goals in from all ranges and angles for spurs, yet for England despite being a record goal scorer, most of his are getting on the end of some scrappy play, against part timers or penalties. You never really saw him scoring great goals or playing like he did for spurs and linking up with players.

I think Rice for Arsenal is much more assertive than he is for England where he looks shit scared on the ball.

Most of the others just play for average teams anyway so you don't see a big difference or drop off

Effectively would you say the England Coaching Staff are playing it safe and dumbing us down by discouraging the type of play you you describe?
Maybe over emphasing team play to the exclusion of individual skill (unless we score from it of course).