England wasting one of the most talented squads ever assembled on Southgate

Kippax Street 1880 said:
I support City not England. I find it impossible to really cheer for a team with rags and dippers in it. I do it through gritted teeth in major tournaments but Im just not arsed. Even losing the Euros final I just found it funny St Marcus the dinner lady was the one to fuck it up.
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What's with this nonsense?
 
Kippax Street 1880 said:
I support City not England. I find it impossible to really cheer for a team with rags and dippers in it. I do it through gritted teeth in major tournaments but Im just not arsed. Even losing the Euros final I just found it funny St Marcus the dinner lady was the one to fuck it up.
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I feel exactly the same. Can’t ever really get behind them. But until the commentators and pundits drive me to a crack pipe, I like to see them win. That’s what us Scots can’t stand. It’s not the team, it’s the whole fucking circus of shit that we have to listen to.
 
burnley blue mcfc said:
Somebody who plays Alexandra arnold in an un natural position before foden, says everything needed to know regarding englands coach
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And yet some can't see how our man is sidelinded.
Anything to keep THE generational talent away from centre mid of the international team,as once he is in and settled,he is there for a decade.
Southgate and the FA know this,the puppet and the puppet masters work overtime to derail his progression. Having a ridiculously talented ,two footed goal scoring home grown City youth graduate orchestrating the international midfield is not part of the plan,despite 5 titles and a treble

Next we will see Harry Maguire take up a new exciting attacking midfield role for Southgate...

I still remember young England playing Foden in his rightful position ,he took a pass from Maddison,skipped round 6 players on a brilliant mazy run and scored.
Next match he was dropped..sorry " rested"... and the last match of the qualifiers England were out after van bissakas last min own goal.

Imagine John Barnes scoring that incredible goal for England in Brazil,and then being " rested " next match,ffs
 
SambaStyle said:
Unforgiveable.

Only France has more depth currently and they have been to last 2 WC finals. England massively underacheiving.
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I don't get how you can say that after a 7-0 win which has put us top of the group with 4 wins out of 4 including a win away in Italy which happens how often for England?!

There are better things he can do tactically but he's incredibly weak in that department, but very strong in others. Foden should be in this England side based on talent, but he's generally piss poor in an England shirt sadly.

We've had some very good managers who haven't achieved what Southgate has, and they've had much better squads. As good as this England side is it is hugely lacking options at CB and goalkeeper. Foden should emerge as an option centrally over the next 12 months to give Southgate a headache with his midfield three.

In the 90s we had fantastic strikers but no real tactical solution to the lack of left sided players. If you look at football now it's baffling how that was an issue. Then we had Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, Owen, Beckham, Wio, Terry, Cole - world class players galore who still couldn't win things because they didn't get on as a team and we couldn't fit them into a system.
 
We've had some good teams in the past: had some really fantastic players, but we've been continuously let down by England managers who pick their favourites instead of whoever's best for the job.

It reminds me of the government in this country: appoint someone to look after the schools and education system, if they fuck it up move them on to the ministry of defence, and if they ruin that as well make them head of transport or something else. But most importantly, keep them in your cabinet. Whatever else you MUST find something for them to do - however bloody useless they are. By whichever means necessary, justify their inclusion in everything.
And this is precisely how the England team seems to be run: we know Trent Pirlo, Henderson, Maguire, Shaw, Rashford and Pickford should not be representing our country at international level. They simply are not good enough. But they will still be the first names on the team sheet. Always.
 
KentBlue said:
We've had some good teams in the past: had some really fantastic players, but we've been continuously let down by England managers who pick their favourites instead of whoever's best for the job.

It reminds me of the government in this country: appoint someone to look after the schools and education system, if they fuck it up move them on to the ministry of defence, and if they ruin that as well make them head of transport or something else. But most importantly, keep them in your cabinet. Whatever else you MUST find something for them to do - however bloody useless they are. By whichever means necessary, justify their inclusion in everything.
And this is precisely how the England team seems to be run: we know Trent Pirlo, Henderson, Maguire, Shaw, Rashford and Pickford should not be representing our country at international level. They simply are not good enough. But they will still be the first names on the team sheet. Always.
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England will never beat a team ranked the same or above them in the latter stages of a competition with Southgate in charge. This has been proven over the last 3 tournaments and it be the same in Germany. The press and Rashford/Saka lovers are getting carried away again after two games against poor opposition. They will become as ineffective as they do against top class club opposition when facing the big boys. Expect the same dull safety first approach and poor in game management from the waist coat wonder!
 
Tickled me when Gazza was interviewed on the pitch the other day, and he said how great it was to see all the young players coming through, but then only went on to mention one name....Rashford.

25 years of age, and has been around the squad for 4 or 5 years. Not to say that Gazza is the brains behind anything, but it just goes to show the narrative behind this England team.

How the likes of Pickford gets in ahead of Ramsdale blows my mind.
 
Vienna_70 said:
To all those criticising Southgate: name an available manager, who could do better.

I’m not saying that he is the best in the world, but he’s doing a decent job.
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I see no one is yet to name a manager.

We could do what Spain and Germany did for the last World Cup and pick a manager who's won the Champions League in Enrique and Flick, but then they bombed out of the World Cup before England did.

I don't think Southgate is some master tactician, but then do those sort of managers do well in international football? In my lifetime the two biggest success in British international football have been what Southgate has done with England and what Coleman did with Wales and both of them created an environment where it felt like playing for a club team instead of turning up as a break from their club.

I guess the bigger issue here is that there aren't really any top level English coaches. Although I wouldn't say it has to be an English coach take over after Southgate, I certainly feel like it would need to be someone to understand English culture in a way that Sven and Capello never could. When you look at foreign managers known for tactics and been here long enough to get an English dressing room there's not a long list -not sure if I could see Pep or Klopp ever taking it, and I think the moment has gone now for someone like Wenger to take the role. Eddie Howe might be the man in a few years but he's not got the experience of playing in tournaments that Southgate has.

Personally I feel like Southgate has done a good job overall, not overachieved nor underachieved; the squad is around the same quality as we had between 1998-2008 and no one from that era got to a semi or a final.
 
I woulnt say its been wasted. Gareth can get to semi finals and finals, his only cirme is not taking the last step.

Ive alwayes eye rolled when people say 'this team should be winning'. Particualr the notion of 'shoudl be'.

Really. How many current England players would get in the Brazil 2002 team, or the Spain 2010 team? or Germany in 2014?

We always overrated ourselves. We should expect to be competitive, but to 'expect' to win the World Cup or Euro's is rank arrogance
 
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