England's problem

[schfc6]

Purely & simply we lack the one or two players that make the difference. Add to this the desire to 'wear the shirt'.

Don't get me wrong, I couldn't give two hoots about Engerlund and haven't for some time.

But our squad was or is amongst the strongest at the tournament. We lack the one or two World Class players to win the thing, but mainly our players lack the attitude and desire.

Why are we looking to blame the squad? The players available? The lack of English talent?

Look at other squads, take Holland, playing exciting football, cruising through, Ron fucking Vlaar is the mainstay of their back 3. Jonathan De Guzman and De Jong their midfield 2, if Ron Vlaar or De Guzman were English there's no chance in hell they'd be picked for England.

France last night, Sissokho of Newcastle, I can't imagine many were bemoaning his lack of an English passport.

Would Julio Ceasar displace Joe? Would we prefer Fred or Sturridge? Gerrard or Paulino? Jo off the bench? "You're not incredible" anywhere near the squad?

Argentina are playing Maxi Rodriquez, he was substandard in the Prem 4 years ago. Macherano hasnt played central midfield for 4 years.

Take Chile, exciting everyone, over ran Spain, their back 3 had a Cardiff midfielder & a right back that couldn't get a game at Forest. They destroyed the World & Europen champions. How? With better players? A stronger squad? No, with a rigid game plan, desire and tactical nous.

I heard one pundit say, 'there's no way England could play the heigh line Chile did'. Are we saying our players can't adapt tactically to the level of a journeyman midfielder and Gonzalo Jara, a failed WBA right back?

England have left better players at home than most at this tournament have taken.

The only World class player we've had in years is sat at home watching Leighton fucking Bains.

It looks to me that to play for your country in a World Cup is the pinical for most nations players.

Chile have quite a few championship level players, they would run through walls for their country, add that to world class players doing the same, you have a team. England simply don't.

 

[Marvin]

England had a great opportunity at the World Cup because they had a great draw.

Italy are not as good as they were, and Uruguay finished 5th in their qualifying group and had to go into a Play-Off to get there.

England under-performed and gave cheap goals away. That's the danger with Cup football. If you make stupid defensive errors you will be out before you know it but if you have Jagielka in defence then that is what you must expect. England's defence going into the World Cup inspired confidence in no one

There were no major injury absences (Walker has been out for months). The retirements of Terry and Ferdinand were known about for years so England had time to re-build the defence. Hodgson could not do that. Therefore he should be fired. He's not good enough to be a national coach of a leading football nation.

 

[mad4city]

No matter how shite Gerrard becomes, it'll be left to him to decide when he doesn't play for England anymore rather than the coach.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!

 

[woolleyback blue]

There were no players from that U21 team on the field but Jimmy Milner did play in that final and was obviously on the bench last night. Agbonlahor and Frazier Campbell were regulars at that time but missing through injury. Walcott was in the team and would have been there last night but for his injury.

Richards & Onuoha played in that game as the centre-back pairing and Rodwell & Adam Johnson also played. So is it that these players aren't good enough or that our club coaching doesn't help them to make that final step?

Pearce said Joe Hart was in that U21 Team. Was he wrong?

It highlights the fact that we don't seem to have any policy of maintaining a team structure and playing style throughout the England teams. Players don't progress naturally from u21 to full team level mainly because we always seem to pick England managers that stick to older over the hill players or pick them simply because they play for certain clubs, Gerrard, Wellshite and Henderson being perfect examples. We don't have a team we have a collection of players thrown together in the hope they will "click"

The English style of football gets panned but it has to be played at the right tempo with players who have skills and a football brain. How many times do we see a ball passed to an English player bounce off him like its been hit at a brick wall, how many times do they take the wrong option. Watch the Brazil Spain match from the Confederations cup, Brazil played a high tempo pass and move game when they had the ball.

Hart wasn't in that team mate.

Mr Pearce gets it wrong. Thanks

 

[Originals]

Pearce said Joe Hart was in that U21 Team. Was he wrong?

It highlights the fact that we don't seem to have any policy of maintaining a team structure and playing style throughout the England teams. Players don't progress naturally from u21 to full team level mainly because we always seem to pick England managers that stick to older over the hill players or pick them simply because they play for certain clubs, Gerrard, Wellshite and Henderson being perfect examples. We don't have a team we have a collection of players thrown together in the hope they will "click"

The English style of football gets panned but it has to be played at the right tempo with players who have skills and a football brain. How many times do we see a ball passed to an English player bounce off him like its been hit at a brick wall, how many times do they take the wrong option. Watch the Brazil Spain match from the Confederations cup, Brazil played a high tempo pass and move game when they had the ball.

Hart wasn't in that team mate.

Mr Pearce gets it wrong. Thanks

Hart wasn't in the final for the under 21 Championships as he was banned. He got booked in the semi final shoot out for shouting at the penalty takers. So Pearce was right.

Englands problem is once they are 18 and we think they are decent (Barkley/Shaw) they are thrown right into the first team. What England need to do is do like City have done, get a system right through from under 16 school boys up to the first team play the same way tactics formations etc. Don't rush the 18/19 years into the first team let them go right through the ranks until aged 23 then go onto (if good enough) to play for the first team. It'll keep a team together who know each other and are willing to play together. Not 11 Individuals

If you refuse to play for under 21s you dont ever play for the country again. Simple as that.

 

[Blue Smarties]

Hart wasn't in that team mate.

Mr Pearce gets it wrong. Thanks

Hart wasn't in the final for the under 21 Championships as he was banned. He got booked in the semi final shoot out for shouting at the penalty takers. So Pearce was right.

Englands problem is once they are 18 and we think they are decent (Barkley/Shaw) they are thrown right into the first team. What England need to do is do like City have done, get a system right through from under 16 school boys up to the first team play the same way tactics formations etc. Don't rush the 18/19 years into the first team let them go right through the ranks until aged 23 then go onto (if good enough) to play for the first team. It'll keep a team together who know each other and are willing to play together. Not 11 Individuals

If you refuse to play for under 21s you dont ever play for the country again. Simple as that.

Pearce said he was in the team for the final, he wasn't as like you said, he was banned. He may have been with the team however he wasn't 'in' the team that night. I that's being pedantic but if it allows for extra ammo against the FA, fuck it!

 

[Originals]

Mr Pearce gets it wrong. Thanks

Hart wasn't in the final for the under 21 Championships as he was banned. He got booked in the semi final shoot out for shouting at the penalty takers. So Pearce was right.

Englands problem is once they are 18 and we think they are decent (Barkley/Shaw) they are thrown right into the first team. What England need to do is do like City have done, get a system right through from under 16 school boys up to the first team play the same way tactics formations etc. Don't rush the 18/19 years into the first team let them go right through the ranks until aged 23 then go onto (if good enough) to play for the first team. It'll keep a team together who know each other and are willing to play together. Not 11 Individuals

If you refuse to play for under 21s you dont ever play for the country again. Simple as that.

Pearce said he was in the team for the final, he wasn't as like you said, he was banned. He may have been with the team however he wasn't 'in' the team that night. I that's being pedantic but if it allows for extra ammo against the FA, fuck it!

I hadn't read what was said on the thread but I thought Pearce said he was in the tournament. Although he would have been in the final if it wasn't for the ban. So you know

 

[woolleyback blue]

Hart wasn't in the final for the under 21 Championships as he was banned. He got booked in the semi final shoot out for shouting at the penalty takers. So Pearce was right.

Englands problem is once they are 18 and we think they are decent (Barkley/Shaw) they are thrown right into the first team. What England need to do is do like City have done, get a system right through from under 16 school boys up to the first team play the same way tactics formations etc. Don't rush the 18/19 years into the first team let them go right through the ranks until aged 23 then go onto (if good enough) to play for the first team. It'll keep a team together who know each other and are willing to play together. Not 11 Individuals

If you refuse to play for under 21s you dont ever play for the country again. Simple as that.

Pearce said he was in the team for the final, he wasn't as like you said, he was banned. He may have been with the team however he wasn't 'in' the team that night. I that's being pedantic but if it allows for extra ammo against the FA, fuck it!

I hadn't read what was said on the thread but I thought Pearce said he was in the tournament. Although he would have been in the final if it wasn't for the ban. So you know

I didn't hear the interview so can't say exactly what he said. I think he was only using it as an illustration of how the Germans seem to progress from u21 to full team and we don't

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

They hugely overestimated the amount of dubbin they'd need.

 

[TonyM]

The FA should hire some people from various foreign associations like the GAA in Ireland. They should work out how to make the amateur game and the leagues more integrated, e.g. Each club has a catchment area for players, limited transfers, few marquee players. Mirror the A league or MLS.

Let the premier league and championship be fully free and professional then.

I don't know :-)

Just leg the premier league almond but fix the grass roots :-)